Saintslass Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Just now, Bedford Roughyed said: What hypocrisy? She flew into the country to attend a climate change protest and you are asking 'what hypocrisy'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Bedford Roughyed said: What hypocrisy? You can't rail against the environment and then do *anything at all* that emits anything. Ever. It's like how all our no deal Brexiters have never gone through the Blue channel in Customs. Or been served by a Pole working in the UK. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Saintslass said: She flew into the country to attend a climate change protest and you are asking 'what hypocrisy'? Should she have swum? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 If she had lectured the proles that they were no longer allowed to fly, then that would of been hypocrisy. As it was, the campaign is about flying less, using less, planting more trees, being less damaging, and getting the government to do more nudging of people. With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 16 minutes ago, gingerjon said: You can't rail against the environment and then do *anything at all* that emits anything. Ever. It's like how all our no deal Brexiters have never gone through the Blue channel in Customs. Or been served by a Pole working in the UK. I think if you speak out about something then you have to be careful what you do. Flying in style to a such a protest maybe wasn't an advisable move. She isn't a champion of the poor by action! She has also been criticised in the past over sending her children to private schools. A lot of no deal Brexiters supporters visit food banks. They don't fly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 If she hadn't booked the seat on the plane , would it have not taken off ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said: If she had lectured the proles that they were no longer allowed to fly, then that would of been hypocrisy. As it was, the campaign is about flying less, using less, planting more trees, being less damaging, and getting the government to do more nudging of people. When she does this herself and gives money directly to the poor, such as Raheem Sterling does, then I will admire her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, Niels said: When she does this herself and gives money directly to the poor, such as Raheem Sterling does, then I will admire her. That would be an entirely different debate though. What percentage of your salary goes to the poor? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, Niels said: I think if you speak out about something then you have to be careful what you do. Flying in style to a such a protest maybe wasn't an advisable move. She isn't a champion of the poor by action! She has also been criticised in the past over sending her children to private schools. A lot of no deal Brexiters supporters visit food banks. They don't fly What does sending children to private school have to do with climate change and why would the insanely posh Emma Thompson be expected to do anything other than send her kids to such places? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 The bottom line is ATM there is no alternative to fast intercontinental travel that doesn't pollute the planet , and there isn't anything on the horizon , so that firm of transport will continue , with other more local journeys there is , although even some of them aren't as ' clean ' as they are made out to be There is only one solution to the issue of climate control and the decimation of the natural world , and that is to stop increasing the number of human beings on the planet , it really is that simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Bedford Roughyed said: As it was, the campaign is about flying less, using less, planting more trees, being less damaging, and getting the government to do more nudging of people. It’s a poor argument accusing her of hypocrisy; normally done to ignore the sound arguments Thompson and the Rebellion are saying. Flying less doesn’t mean not flying at all; something which is impractical right now. And this is the point some people who ridicule the likes of Thompson and the Rebellion miss; it’s not about banning all forms of transport etc right now. It’s about doing what you have suggested and it needs known people like Thompson leading the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, gingerjon said: Should she have swum? She could have Skyped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said: It’s a poor argument accusing her of hypocrisy; normally done to ignore the sound arguments Thompson and the Rebellion are saying. Flying less doesn’t mean not flying at all; something which is impractical right now. And this is the point some people who ridicule the likes of Thompson and the Rebellion miss; it’s not about banning all forms of transport etc right now. It’s about doing what you have suggested and it needs known people like Thompson leading the fight. She doesn't behave as she demands of others though. She complained about people flying first class then promptly booked a luxury first class booth herself. She says all the right things so people defend her. If she suddenly joined the Brexit Party then posters on here would have a different viewpoint about her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verbatim Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 59 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: The bottom line is ATM there is no alternative to fast intercontinental travel that doesn't pollute the planet , and there isn't anything on the horizon , so that firm of transport will continue , with other more local journeys there is , although even some of them aren't as ' clean ' as they are made out to be There is only one solution to the issue of climate control and the decimation of the natural world , and that is to stop increasing the number of human beings on the planet , it really is that simple It really isn't that simple at all, there is nothing simple about this. We're currently using 1.7 earths worth of resources every year, so in order to have balance and use 1 years worth of resource every year we need to reduce resource use by 40%, which if your suggesting population is the issue means a population reduction of 40%. Let's say you manage to persuade everyone to stop making babies straight away, with death rates of 50m per year that means it'll be 60 years until were back to an equilibrium! I'm not saying population growth isn't an issue, it's just one of a number of very complicated factors. Capitalism has been a hugely beneficial way of increasing living standards and development around the world, but in doing so has consumed and destroyed more the the finite planet can cope with. We (as in everybody, myself included I'm not finger pointing and blaming others) need to work together to (quickly) adapt our systems to consume far less and live sustainably. The XR protests seem to be pointing that out, to raise awareness in the general population and to pressure governments to accept the issue and start acting. No individual actions from Emma Thompson or anyone else is going to sort this out, it needs to be a systemic change accepted and supported by all. There is nothing to be achieved by calling the protesters hypocritical, that's simply shooting the messenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said: It’s a poor argument accusing her of hypocrisy; normally done to ignore the sound arguments Thompson and the Rebellion are saying. Flying less doesn’t mean not flying at all; something which is impractical right now. And this is the point some people who ridicule the likes of Thompson and the Rebellion miss; it’s not about banning all forms of transport etc right now. It’s about doing what you have suggested and it needs known people like Thompson leading the fight. Oh c'mon. The Rebellion lot were saying they wanted zero carbon by 2025 weren't they? That's pretty much right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Saintslass said: She could have Skyped. Yes but then she wouldn't have received as much pleasure or publicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Just now, Niels said: Yes but then she wouldn't have received as much pleasure or publicity. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verbatim Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Saintslass said: Absolutely. So you agree her flying there was the right thing to do, given that the whole purpose of the protests was to get publicity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Just now, verbatim said: So you agree her flying there was the right thing to do, given that the whole purpose of the protests was to get publicity? Wow. It's amazing what someone can read into the word 'absolutely'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, verbatim said: So you agree her flying there was the right thing to do, given that the whole purpose of the protests was to get publicity? No, we must demand perfection and when they fall short against a standard that we have entirely created in our own minds it means we can ignore what they say. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Again as I said earlier , if she hadn't booked a ticket , would the plane have taken off or not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, gingerjon said: No, we must demand perfection and when they fall short against a standard that we have entirely created in our own minds it means we can ignore what they say. lol. Given the demands of the protest she was attending, just a little less hypocrisy would have done fine. Skyping in would have been the best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Just now, GUBRATS said: Again as I said earlier , if she hadn't booked a ticket , would the plane have taken off or not ? Makes no odds unless the plane was full of people going to a climate change protest whose attendees all wanted zero carbon emissions by 2025. Then they'd all be hypocrites! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Saintslass said: Skyping in would have been the best option. Against a make believe standard that you've just invented. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verbatim Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, Saintslass said: Wow. It's amazing what someone can read into the word 'absolutely'! So what did you mean? Niels suggested flying in got more publicity than Skype would have, your post "absolutely" suggested you agreed. A major point of the protests was publicity so it seems she achieved what she set out to do so I assumed you thought she made the right choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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