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20 hours ago, JohnM said:

Ah! The angry militant cyclist brigade! The more people don't share your view, the angrier you get.  If we could harness all that, our energy problems would be over.  I've listed elsewhere the changes that have been made but clearly your eyes are dim to them. Yes there is more to do, but a few cycle lanes and the compulsory use of bikes is not going to help Emma and Greta go cold turkey on airline travel.

As opposed to the angry motorist militant brigade who kill and maim by the tens of thousands on the roads alone at the cost of tens of billions and huge misery to families as well as being subsidised by everyone whether they drive or not! That's your comeback is it, to attack a group of people because we can see the solution and people like you can't or don't want to, typical narrow minded bigot!

Motorists have been getting away with killing people with virtual impunity for over a hundred years, they leech from the country, they take up space from everyone without paying for it, they cause more pollution by lazily parking up on through roads/arterial routes not to mention roads around residential areas cuasing yet more issues including making it almost impossible for kids to play safely and indeed for older/less able citizens to cross roads/get about safely if at all.

And as for your comment re ULEZ, you did know that Sadiq Khan has not included black taxi cabs in that, nor 'classic' cars? Also that Euro VI diesels are not meeting the actual limits and in many cases are worse in real world use than Euro III and IV also granted a 110% leeway.conformity factor to manufacturers, ULEZ is an absolute joke!  https://www.euractiv.com/section/air-pollution/news/off-limit-new-diesel-cars-evade-european-city-bans/!!

SK isn't interested in reducing pollution, he's full of bull, he's cancelled safe cycling projects, he's ignored problem junctions that allow motorists to drive as they want and screw the vulnerable such that they get squished/killed despite doing everything right ... and then a bunch of motorists disguised as the police and/or jurists decide that actually an HGV turning across someone without looking is simply an 'accident' or worse it's the dead persons fault when a motorist mows you down from behind whilst being seen by wtnesses in a well lit street and also having bright lights. Didn't even prosecute, roll reversed where a woman actually ran back into the path of a cyclist and he got imprisoned for 18months.

Nut yeah the majority are interested in change! the government, police, legal system are not interested in protecting the vulnerable from the killers in our society so there's no increase in cycling because of the perception of danger. No increase in cycling means more motors, more motors means more deaths/misery, more costs to the nation, more broken roads, more divided communities by more roads and ultimately more pollution and more obesity.

But yeah, militant cyclist brigade are the problem, pointless trying to have a reasoned discussion with your type, you couldn't understand the problem if it slapped you in the face with a wet fish and you're more interested in attacking a minority group who are actually a big part of the solution to some of our biggest problems!

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Seems to be doing what it was intended -

 

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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13 hours ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

As opposed to the angry motorist militant brigade who kill and maim by the tens of thousands on the roads alone at the cost of tens of billions and huge misery to families as well as being subsidised by everyone whether they drive or not! That's your comeback is it, to attack a group of people because we can see the solution and people like you can't or don't want to, typical narrow minded bigot!

Motorists have been getting away with killing people with virtual impunity for over a hundred years, they leech from the country, they take up space from everyone without paying for it, they cause more pollution by lazily parking up on through roads/arterial routes not to mention roads around residential areas cuasing yet more issues including making it almost impossible for kids to play safely and indeed for older/less able citizens to cross roads/get about safely if at all.

And as for your comment re ULEZ, you did know that Sadiq Khan has not included black taxi cabs in that, nor 'classic' cars? Also that Euro VI diesels are not meeting the actual limits and in many cases are worse in real world use than Euro III and IV also granted a 110% leeway.conformity factor to manufacturers, ULEZ is an absolute joke!  https://www.euractiv.com/section/air-pollution/news/off-limit-new-diesel-cars-evade-european-city-bans/!!

SK isn't interested in reducing pollution, he's full of bull, he's cancelled safe cycling projects, he's ignored problem junctions that allow motorists to drive as they want and screw the vulnerable such that they get squished/killed despite doing everything right ... and then a bunch of motorists disguised as the police and/or jurists decide that actually an HGV turning across someone without looking is simply an 'accident' or worse it's the dead persons fault when a motorist mows you down from behind whilst being seen by wtnesses in a well lit street and also having bright lights. Didn't even prosecute, roll reversed where a woman actually ran back into the path of a cyclist and he got imprisoned for 18months.

Nut yeah the majority are interested in change! the government, police, legal system are not interested in protecting the vulnerable from the killers in our society so there's no increase in cycling because of the perception of danger. No increase in cycling means more motors, more motors means more deaths/misery, more costs to the nation, more broken roads, more divided communities by more roads and ultimately more pollution and more obesity.

But yeah, militant cyclist brigade are the problem, pointless trying to have a reasoned discussion with your type, you couldn't understand the problem if it slapped you in the face with a wet fish and you're more interested in attacking a minority group who are actually a big part of the solution to some of our biggest problems!

https://abcnews.go.com/International/londons-iconic-black-cabs-electric/story?id=53907312

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13 hours ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

 you couldn't understand the problem if it slapped you in the face with a fish.

You really really REALLY have no idea at all.  Just another irrational Guardianista who gets angry when people don't agree with you. 

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11 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

21,000 black cabs. The target is 9,000 *by next year* to be electric.

Am I missing something? That's a fairly significant chunk of the Black Cab fleet and in a fairly short timescale.

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Just now, Shadow said:

Am I missing something? That's a fairly significant chunk of the Black Cab fleet and in a fairly short timescale.

Firstly, it's a target.

And, secondly, they are exempt from the ULEZ (I believe) whether they convert or not. So the point that they are exempt stands.

I think it's an excellent move forward, should have happened ages ago. But the cabbies oppose change all the time, so what can you do.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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4 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Firstly, it's a target.

And, secondly, they are exempt from the ULEZ (I believe) whether they convert or not. So the point that they are exempt stands.

I think it's an excellent move forward, should have happened ages ago. But the cabbies oppose change all the time, so what can you do.

OK, thanks for the clarification.

I would choose an electric cab if they are quieter all the better to hear the driver's well considered and thought provoking views on Immigration, Capital Punishment, Brexit and the West Hammer's chances in the football cup thingy. 

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5 minutes ago, JohnM said:

 Is it not the case that "New black cabs will no longer use diesel and must be capable of running on an electric battery from January 2018, Transport for London has confirmed."

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/ultra-low-emission-zone-new-black-taxis-must-run-on-electric-batteries-from-2018-tfl-confirms-a3099641.html

I don't know if you read the article you linked from but that only applies to new registrations and old cabs are allowed to continue.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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The Koch brothers are getting their monies worth from Spiked and their avid fans, that's for sure.  

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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8 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

The Koch brothers are getting their monies worth from Spiked and their avid fans, that's for sure.  

We are in, what, day 3 of shrieking at a child?

The latest being that, because her mum is a Eurovision singer we can't take her seriously.

Toby Young retweeted that. Because he's got everything in life by working hard without connections.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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On ‎22‎/‎04‎/‎2019 at 22:27, JohnM said:

1. Respect for the rule of law. None of us can choose which laws we obey and which ones we don't.

 

If the laws aren't broken, the laws don't change. There is a higher imperative than statute law.

"Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin

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11 hours ago, gingerjon said:

I don't know if you read the article you linked from but that only applies to new registrations and old cabs are allowed to continue.

"sigh"  Always the snide implication.   Is it a hobby or part of your CPD? 

 

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10 hours ago, gingerjon said:

We are in, what, day 3 of shrieking at a child?

The latest being that, because her mum is a Eurovision singer we can't take her seriously.

Toby Young retweeted that. Because he's got everything in life by working hard without connections.

Join the rest of us who are not shrieking.  You are belittling her mother, too. She is much more than a "Eurovision singer" . She is a highly talented musician and eco-warrior in her own right. But then you knew that already.

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6 hours ago, JohnM said:

"sigh"  Always the snide implication.   Is it a hobby or part of your CPD? 

 

Mate, you're the one who linked to it in triumph.

It then doesn't say the thing it appears you thought it said.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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6 hours ago, JohnM said:

Join the rest of us who are not shrieking.  You are belittling her mother, too. She is much more than a "Eurovision singer" . She is a highly talented musician and eco-warrior in her own right. But then you knew that already.

It's okay, John. If you don't have anything to add about the Koch brothers funded circus spending three days venting their anti climate change fury on a 16 year old then you don't have to. The example yesterday afternoon when Guido decided, via a tweet from an alum of a 20k a year school, that Greta's mum was part of the elite. Her Eurovision appearance as proof.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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Best thing would be to leave your pals to it. Withdraw the  feeble, ineffective forces of law and order to investigate other crimes such as knife crime . Let the citizenry extinguish the rebellion.  Let the nutters glue themselves to whatever they want.  A couple of nights in the cold, the rain,  no food, no drink, no Ocado deliveries and no publicity and they'd soon clear off...if it wasn't for the superglue.  

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Specifically about Greta Thunberg.

Can’t help but admire the way she has gone about achieving what she has. Maybe we need to recruit her, her parents and her PR team to promote the cause for which this forum exists: rugby league.

I recognise how difficult it must be given her Asperger syndrome. Autism  is very very tough on parents, family and friends of people with the syndrome as well as for the person herself, as I am sure affected posters will testify. It can entail huge sacrifices and requires lots of support.

According to the National Autistic Society ( https://www.autism.org.uk/about/what-is/asperger.aspx), “Some people with Asperger syndrome say the world feels overwhelming and this can cause them considerable anxiety.”  For those on here with direct experience, is this a reasonable statement? Could this account for her apocalyptic vision? Is the National Autistic Society the major authority?  

Whist I agree with her general direction, I take issue with her on a few points.

1     1.  It’s not an existential crisis.

       2.  People ARE listening and doing things.

       3. No one has stolen anything from her.

        4. She is wrong when she says, “We probably don’t even have a future any more.”

It is perfectly possible to take positive and tough action on climate change: pollution, energy consumption, etc without having to surrender to those who want to bring down the current political and social system.  Indeed , action is already being taken in a number of areas but is being conveniently ignored by the likes of Extinction Rebellion.  Just wait till Gove swings into action. 

I wonder:  what action are you all taking...or are you waiting for the state to make you?

 

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56 minutes ago, JohnM said:

“Some people with Asperger syndrome say the world feels overwhelming and this can cause them considerable anxiety.”  For those on here with direct experience, is this a reasonable statement? Could this account for her apocalyptic vision?"

It can be. Little Ginger is absolutely terrified by Brexit, for example. We couldn't work out why because, despite obviously being against it, we've not really said anything that could account for it. And then we found out that he was taking 'leave' literally. Britain is obviously part of Europe. Leaving Europe, as he kept hearing, scared him. He couldn't work out how it would be done and nobody would tell him. But it would obviously involve destroying his home as his home is in Europe and we're leaving Europe. And so on.

However ...

Autism also has the classic Rain Man trait whereby some people with autism are remarkably good at entirely dispassionately looking at figures and the like, and then seeing the trends behind them without any abstract interference. It's why Little Ginger's special school has such good science results. So it's not that unlikely that a 16 year old with autism would get their view on the environmental situation and its causes entirely dispassionately from decent sources. They may then struggle to understand why something so self-evidently a problem is not being immediately dealt with (and they may struggle with understanding how/why political machinations prevent the obvious being done) and so that may lead to a more apocalyptic world view.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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6 hours ago, JohnM said:

2.  People ARE listening and doing things.

Some people are listening and doing some things.  The science suggests that we are currently not doing enough.  Sadly we can't afford to keep putting things off (Goves bill is delayed until brexit is settled, Trump delays US action for a few more years, etc)

6 hours ago, JohnM said:

3. No one has stolen anything from her.

Well she won't be able to enjoy some of the things you and I would take for granted.  

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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