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1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

I'm slightly worried that what this is showing is that the club is becoming a bit too reactionary. If you're giving a coach a 3 year deal you have to back the guy. If you don't back him and his squad decisions don't sign him for 3 years!

Our signings have on the whole been poor. Yes we've gone into the Marquee market for the first time this season but if I'm honest I don't think that its been spent well. Yes Hurrell is probably our best player, but with Keinhorst in the squad last year we didn't need to spend loads of money on a world class centre as that wasn't where our biggest problems were. Hurrell is by far our best player this season but is that saying much? Lolohea is a quandry of a signing, clearly much better at FB, or at least anywhere thats not stand off, it does make you wonder what vision had him signed if we already had Walker and Golding. Even with Merrin I'm somewhat underwhelmed. We are better with him on the pitch but I really don't see him and think "Marquee Money" in the way that Austin is at Wire for example. I think its clear the club has spent money, I'm not convinced it's been spent in the right way.

The balance of the squad at Leeds just seems off. We're lightweight up front and soft in defence not to mention we still haven't recruited a proper 6 since Sinfield retired. Suddenly we're connected with a 500k bid for Jake Connor, brought in 2 forwards mid season from a collapsed Widnes and the NRL and our Coach is sacked after 14 games. I don't know about anyone else but it just seems a bit chaotic for Leeds?

Finally, I'm surprised McLelland hasn't been given more game time or at least a chance considering our problems in the halves. Maybe that was Furner's decision. 

Regardless, sacking the coach, poor planning with signings, poor squad balance, I'm seeing this all this as the signs of a club acting reactionary. 

 

I think the question of 'sticking with' or 'too reactionary' is often just a question of being right. 

The club gained a reputation for 'sticking with' simply because more often than not it was right. When we weren't, we moved on quickly. Ben Cross got about 10 games, 

Nor has the club ever really been scared of shelling out when it though decent players were available. Harris, Lauitiiti, Ellis, JP.

I think the balance of the squad is a problem (though its better than it was) but there is slightly a case of being stuck. Where do you buy for?

Is it the backs? Well not really, We have two wingers, we have Golding in reserve aswell as now lolohea able to play FB. Harry Newman is very close to getting a shirt on form over two very very good players. 

Is it in the pack? Well where? Oledski and Smith are deserving first team now, Trout, Mustapha, Holroyd, McConnell will all probably get games next year and you certainly wouldn't want to bring anyone big on a 3 or 4 year contract that might keep them out. Merrin is a fantastic player, Ward (when we can get him on the field) would get in any side. Then we have a stack of marginal players in the pack, we certainly aren't lacking for numbers there. 

Hooker? Well Dwyer has been one of the best for us, Parcell has been a bit hit and miss but probably as good as you are going to bring over and Johnson, again, is probably ready to start making that step up.

Halves, this is obviously a problem the club clearly have high-hopes for Mclellan to come in but he will need time. Lolohea has struggled but we can't both argue to sack him off already and that the club is being too reactionary, Myler for me has often looked a good player in a poor team, but hasn't really ever looked like he would be the man to turn it around. 

Leeds don't need to be looking now but to next year and more to the year after. If Sinfield doesn't feel that Furner is the man for year 3 of this plan he was right to get rid. There are still players like JJB and Watkins and Ablett and Sinfield himself who remember what was needed in the glory years, and if Furner wasn't there then you have to move quickly.

Its a strange problem leeds have in that the squad needs a massive overhaul but they don't really want to bring too many players in and as such can't really ship too many players out.  

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On 08/05/2019 at 19:26, GeordieSaint said:

The players by all accounts were struggling to adapt to Furner’s ideas and style of play. That’s straight from one of the current squad who briefed at my unit a couple of months ago.

If your changing idea's and style of play best to have your own coaching support team to help cement those changes.  Problem for Furner he come into a setup that was put together by Sinfields changes.  Surely the setup should have been done with Furner when he got here, that way all pulling in same direction and support staff totally brought in to changes.

In addition I remember many events  were Sinfield spoke plus press conferences were he constantly commented on the many changes needed with some of the off field aspects.  I guess they haven't made significant difference.

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16 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

I kind of see what you’re saying but the problem with straight relegation in the league there’s not always the time to not be reactionary. If there’s no threat of relegation its ‘easier’ to give people time. Something wasn’t right within the group at all I just hope that it was Furner that was the issue.

I do disagree on Hurrell and Merrin who have been far and away our best players, with Hall leaving we did need a player who makes metres snd gets us on the front foot, Keinhorst was a solid player but not in the same ballpark as Hurrell, Merrin is a very very good player, I would make him captain and let Watkins concentrate on getting his fitness and confidence back after a career threatening injury.

Where I do agree is on the halfback Tui is not the answer at all, Hastings would have been the player I would have gone for (we apparently tried to get Austin)

I think its hard with their only being 12 teams, we've also lost a few games by very close margins. The problem has been that we have still had total collapses in games which is unacceptable frankly.

I do agree they've been our best players, however I don't think that's saying much! I think our recruitment has just been a bit off generally. 

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15 hours ago, scotchy1 said:

I think the question of 'sticking with' or 'too reactionary' is often just a question of being right. 

The club gained a reputation for 'sticking with' simply because more often than not it was right. When we weren't, we moved on quickly. Ben Cross got about 10 games, 

Nor has the club ever really been scared of shelling out when it though decent players were available. Harris, Lauitiiti, Ellis, JP.

I think the balance of the squad is a problem (though its better than it was) but there is slightly a case of being stuck. Where do you buy for?

Is it the backs? Well not really, We have two wingers, we have Golding in reserve aswell as now lolohea able to play FB. Harry Newman is very close to getting a shirt on form over two very very good players. 

Is it in the pack? Well where? Oledski and Smith are deserving first team now, Trout, Mustapha, Holroyd, McConnell will all probably get games next year and you certainly wouldn't want to bring anyone big on a 3 or 4 year contract that might keep them out. Merrin is a fantastic player, Ward (when we can get him on the field) would get in any side. Then we have a stack of marginal players in the pack, we certainly aren't lacking for numbers there. 

Hooker? Well Dwyer has been one of the best for us, Parcell has been a bit hit and miss but probably as good as you are going to bring over and Johnson, again, is probably ready to start making that step up.

Halves, this is obviously a problem the club clearly have high-hopes for Mclellan to come in but he will need time. Lolohea has struggled but we can't both argue to sack him off already and that the club is being too reactionary, Myler for me has often looked a good player in a poor team, but hasn't really ever looked like he would be the man to turn it around. 

Leeds don't need to be looking now but to next year and more to the year after. If Sinfield doesn't feel that Furner is the man for year 3 of this plan he was right to get rid. There are still players like JJB and Watkins and Ablett and Sinfield himself who remember what was needed in the glory years, and if Furner wasn't there then you have to move quickly.

Its a strange problem leeds have in that the squad needs a massive overhaul but they don't really want to bring too many players in and as such can't really ship too many players out.  

I do think our pack is a big problem. Its fundamentally light and its shown in almost every game we've played this year in attack and defence. Singleton for whatever reason hasn't seemed to have kicked on, Cuthbo looks on his last legs every week and its not fair to put pressure on Oledzki or any of the other young players just yet. 

Peteru and JJB are back rowers not props. Same for Albert. I don't know enough about Seumanafagai? Merrin is quality, but we already had decent backrowers. Along with the above there's Ablett, Ward, Smith and even Sutcliffe. 

The hookers are great. Parcell rarely has a game less than 7/10 and Dwyer has been one of our best this year.

I think what you see in that pack as well (aside from the two new recruits who I'm yet to see enough of), is that its all very workhorse-like. By that I mean there's no explosive or impact players. That's not a discredit to the players as you need workhorses in any good team, its just lacking somewhat. Perhaps that's a long term thing we haven't had since maybe Lauititi, but realistically you look at our pack and who are the opposition looking at a bit worried thinking 'he's going to be a handful'? Maybe our player for that is Hurrell, but he's a centre and he's been carrying the whole team.

Our halves are average and in many ways far too similar, yet surely you'd have thought Sinfield would have been the precise person to identify that and bring in players who could compliment each other. 

The rumoured response from Furner that he's going to sue the club is what worries me the most. We've brought in a coach and then not backed him doesn't send out a good message.

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Mr Lizzard...   Given that they only gave Furner 14 games it's hard to criticize them for not spending time to look for a replacement in tbat time.

It strikes me of being some player power in the background.  But the other issue might well be a sort of Perfect Storm where events ruled everything.  

But the haunting spectre of relegation was the perhaps the driver.  The sooner relegation is dropped and dropped for good the better. 

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3 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

I do think our pack is a big problem. Its fundamentally light and its shown in almost every game we've played this year in attack and defence. Singleton for whatever reason hasn't seemed to have kicked on, Cuthbo looks on his last legs every week and its not fair to put pressure on Oledzki or any of the other young players just yet. 

Peteru and JJB are back rowers not props. Same for Albert. I don't know enough about Seumanafagai? Merrin is quality, but we already had decent backrowers. Along with the above there's Ablett, Ward, Smith and even Sutcliffe. 

The hookers are great. Parcell rarely has a game less than 7/10 and Dwyer has been one of our best this year.

I think what you see in that pack as well (aside from the two new recruits who I'm yet to see enough of), is that its all very workhorse-like. By that I mean there's no explosive or impact players. That's not a discredit to the players as you need workhorses in any good team, its just lacking somewhat. Perhaps that's a long term thing we haven't had since maybe Lauititi, but realistically you look at our pack and who are the opposition looking at a bit worried thinking 'he's going to be a handful'? Maybe our player for that is Hurrell, but he's a centre and he's been carrying the whole team.

Our halves are average and in many ways far too similar, yet surely you'd have thought Sinfield would have been the precise person to identify that and bring in players who could compliment each other. 

The rumoured response from Furner that he's going to sue the club is what worries me the most. We've brought in a coach and then not backed him doesn't send out a good message.

Last time someone tried to sue the club it didn't go well for them (and he was a solicitor!) , Hetherington is no idiot.

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Well after that Bradford game I have no reservations about Furner getting sacked. He had a full pre season and half a season and he coached a pathetic team who are clueless. Yes maybe you can blame recruitment. But their is no excuse for the defense and the lack of structure. 

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If he hadn't gone already he would have been getting sacked on Monday.

Leeds were totally directionless today.  A bit of organisation and they would have beaten a spirited Bradford team.

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On 10/05/2019 at 11:33, Rupert Prince said:

Mr Lizzard...   Given that they only gave Furner 14 games it's hard to criticize them for not spending time to look for a replacement in tbat time.

It strikes me of being some player power in the background.  But the other issue might well be a sort of Perfect Storm where events ruled everything.  

But the haunting spectre of relegation was the perhaps the driver.  The sooner relegation is dropped and dropped for good the better. 

Let's scrap relegation,it's too upsetting for Leeds.

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20 minutes ago, gittinsfan said:

Let's scrap relegation,it's too upsetting for Leeds.

Relegation is a bad idea made compounded by the increasing commitment to Reserve and Academy players and costs. Reluctantly i believe the way forward is 14 teams and no relegation, with the possibility of 16 in the future.

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Scrapping relegation doesn't alleviate those problems, all it does is give teams more time for mediocre displays, waiting for turning the corner, more in hope. One thing wrong with that is taking your supporters for granted, hoping that they'll support the club no questions asked. As for using finances for a reserve and academy set-ups, isn't that what all clubs should be aiming for. At least you have a chance of bringing your own players through instead of players from overseas. Of course that's reliant on the coaching skill set at the club. 

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