Brexit Party

[Private Baldrick]

38 minutes ago, Shadow said:

Why are they voting for him then?

Is it because he offers simple soundbites that on closer inspection prove to be lies or at best unworkable?

Is it because we have had 40 years of unchallenged lies from those opposed to our integration and membership of the EU?

Is it because our press and social media is being manipulated by shadowy forces outside our own country?

Or is it because the Public School Educated Neo Fascist Holocaust denying Hypocritcal hate monger is a true man of the people who only has the best interests of the British People at heart?

Oh dear.

[SSoutherner]

3 hours ago, ckn said:

I deleted the pic, it's very likely to be a fake and falls right into the libel category.

No worries - that is why i was trying to ascertain veracity - I dont want to share iffy things when there is enough verifiable rubbish being spouted by him 

[SSoutherner]

1 hour ago, Private Baldrick said:

The echo chamber cabal are in full swing on this thread!

By all means deride Farage and his party, just as on the Tory and Labour equivalents, but face up to reality.

Why has Farage and his party been spawned, phoenix like in the last few months?

Why are millions of people going to be voting for his party, are they all fascists and racists, every one of them?

What do you hope to achieve by derision and ridicule of his supporters other than that holier than though glow after posting a witty response on a rugby forum?

The majority of posters on here just don't get it. They just stick their heads in the sands and don't face up to why millions of decent, normal people will be giving their support to him on polling day. Carry on with your name calling and labelling whilst living in your cosy liberal bubbles, the problem will not go away by posting links to twitter accounts and the like.  

Well actually explain to us WHY people are voting for The Brexit Party other than "because we voted Brexit and this is like a 2nd referendum where we can really show we want to leave but we dont want a 2nd referendum" because i just can not see how or why people feel voting for the Brexit party will achieve anything whether it has Farage or Nookie Bear as it's figurehead (and as he has been shown to be rascist or at least willing to play the rascist angle) on many occasions either you are voting for HIM or you are voting for his party.

I will say the same thing the day after the EU elections when I predict Brexit Party (+ukip) will poll c35-40% libdem+SNP+Plaid+change c30-35% Tory c10% Labour c15-20% and we will be no further fwd

[Private Baldrick]

1 minute ago, SSoutherner said:

Well actually explain to us WHY people are voting for The Brexit Party other than "because we voted Brexit and this is like a 2nd referendum where we can really show we want to leave but we dont want a 2nd referendum" because i just can not see how or why people feel voting for the Brexit party will achieve anything whether it has Farage or Nookie Bear as it's figurehead (and as he has been shown to be rascist or at least willing to play the rascist angle) on many occasions either you are voting for HIM or you are voting for his party.

I will say the same thing the day after the EU elections when I predict Brexit Party (+ukip) will poll c35-40% libdem+SNP+Plaid+change c30-35% Tory c10% Labour c15-20% and we will be no further fwd

I fully concur with the final paragraph about vote share, I posted something similar a while back on one of the threads.

Personally speaking and having spoken to a few people around my area (mainly Labour supporters) the basic reasoning behind voting for the Brexit Party in the EU elections is down to a disconnect between our nationally elected MP's and us constituents. My MP is Yvette Cooper, and to say she has miffed a lot of her voters around here is an understatement. It boils down to the fact that we were promised something, we voted in a referendum and subsequent General Election being promised the same promises and lo and behold, nothing.

A lot of folk around here will be voting for the Brexit Party to send a message to our MP's, deliver on your promises and you can have our support back. There isn't much love for Farage, people don't care much for him or his politics other than they want to leave the EU and he offers them that chance to give the Westminster lot a kicking and that is what they are going to do. 

[SSoutherner]

28 minutes ago, Private Baldrick said:

I fully concur with the final paragraph about vote share, I posted something similar a while back on one of the threads.

Personally speaking and having spoken to a few people around my area (mainly Labour supporters) the basic reasoning behind voting for the Brexit Party in the EU elections is down to a disconnect between our nationally elected MP's and us constituents. My MP is Yvette Cooper, and to say she has miffed a lot of her voters around here is an understatement. It boils down to the fact that we were promised something, we voted in a referendum and subsequent General Election being promised the same promises and lo and behold, nothing.

A lot of folk around here will be voting for the Brexit Party to send a message to our MP's, deliver on your promises and you can have our support back. There isn't much love for Farage, people don't care much for him or his politics other than they want to leave the EU and he offers them that chance to give the Westminster lot a kicking and that is what they are going to do. 

But last time people did a "protest vote" to show Westminster what for - look what we got

If I walk 5 meters from my door I am in Redwoods massively remain voting constituency so dont think it is only leavers whose MP's dont represent them

If mine and your figures are correct it would roughly give tory+Brexit+Ukip under 50% remain/nationalist parties 35-40% and then Labour making up the balance still trying to claim they are both leave and remain - how will we move fwd from there given that the Tories will not sign up to a CU and Labour (rightly) do not trust the Tories to not renege on any agreement as soon as May is replaced

[henage]

Round and round and round in circles 

 

[Private Baldrick]

3 minutes ago, SSoutherner said:

But last time people did a "protest vote" to show Westminster what for - look what we got

If I walk 5 meters from my door I am in Redwoods massively remain voting constituency so dont think it is only leavers whose MP's dont represent them

If mine and your figures are correct it would roughly give tory+Brexit+Ukip under 50% remain/nationalist parties 35-40% and then Labour making up the balance still trying to claim they are both leave and remain - how will we move fwd from there given that the Tories will not sign up to a CU and Labour (rightly) do not trust the Tories to not renege on any agreement as soon as May is replaced

As with the country at large, I think the 2 choices we will be left with are on the extremes of either side. We will either have parliament revoking and remaining or we will have no deal and leave at some point on or before the end of October.

[Private Baldrick]

3 minutes ago, henage said:

Round and round and round in circles 

 

And it aint gonna end, no matter which way we eventually go!

[Martyn Sadler]

1 hour ago, Shadow said:

Why are they voting for him then?

Is it because he offers simple soundbites that on closer inspection prove to be lies or at best unworkable?

Is it because we have had 40 years of unchallenged lies from those opposed to our integration and membership of the EU?

Is it because our press and social media is being manipulated by shadowy forces outside our own country?

Or is it because the Public School Educated Neo Fascist Holocaust denying Hypocritcal hate monger is a true man of the people who only has the best interests of the British People at heart?

You do seem to be suffering from Farage Derangement Syndrome.

I believe the man himself has confessed to being an obnoxious schoolboy.

And I suspect that many schoolboys were in those days.

At my Roman Catholic Boys Grammar School a significant number of kids were racist, misogynistic and bullying.

Some of my fellow pupils are now highly qualified lawyers, doctors and no doubt grace other professions, including politics, but if their schoolboy antics were exposed they would probably be drummed out of those positions.

[Leeds Wire]

1 hour ago, Shadow said:

Why are they voting for him then?

Is it because he offers simple soundbites that on closer inspection prove to be lies or at best unworkable?

Nail on head there Shads.

Remember the rise of Jean Marie Le Pen in France? He was very fond of saying that there were 2 million unemployed people in France and 2 million immigrants, therefore if you got rid of the immigrants it follows that unemployment would end.

Utterly stupid but its simplicity appealed to a huge number of 'Jambon Fumés'.

[gingerjon]

4 minutes ago, Martyn Sadler said:

I believe the man himself has confessed to being an obnoxious schoolboy.

I believe he's completely denied every accusation ever levelled at him about it.

[Griff9of13]

24 minutes ago, Martyn Sadler said:

At my Roman Catholic Boys Grammar School a significant number of kids were racist, misogynistic and bullying.

But non of them went on to forge a career out of it.

[Martyn Sadler]

43 minutes ago, Griff9of13 said:

But non of them went on to forge a career out of it.

Two of the most racist became leading members of the Socialist Workers Party.

[SSoutherner]

23 minutes ago, Martyn Sadler said:

Two of the most racist became leading members of the Socialist Workers Party.

Sadly when i was at university we had the whole spectrum of loonie student politicians - from a butch lesbian who everyone called Millie Tant (she was the spit of the viz character) via a quite normal Uni president who was labour (and left politics after uni) to a couple who were VP finance & VP Marketing, they married and went on to become Tory councillors/prospective MP's before they split after he had an affair with an Aide, I would be interested to meet up with him and get his opinion on Brexit actually as he was on the same economics degree course as me - then we had the VP Mature Students who was an ex copper who had decided to leave get an education as he felt black officers and "rich pinko's" were being favoured for promotion - I dread to think what became of him 

 

Found the guy from my Ecconomics course - he was a Tory councillor who signed this open letter to the Telegraph (whilst his English degree qualified ex wife signed a different letter denouncing May's deal and calling for WTO)- 

SIR – Britain is soon to vote on its continued membership of the EU. For the sake of our economic security, we urge people to vote Remain.

Over the past six years we have experienced a period of unprecedented economic growth. This has helped us to create 2.4 million jobs, made Britain an excellent place in which to do business and helped our communities to flourish. None of this would have been possible without our membership of the European single market. The Leave campaign has made clear that it will leave the single market and put all of this at risk.

A vote to leave the EU will put jobs in danger. Prices will rise, mortgages will be at risk and funding for local schools and hospitals will fall. This is a risk that we, as Conservative councillors, are not willing to take with our economy and the health of our local communities.

[gingerjon]

18 minutes ago, Martyn Sadler said:

Two of the most racist became leading members of the Socialist Workers Party.

That'd be because the SWP is home to an absolute shower of knobheads.

Who also support Brexit.

[Private Baldrick]

It would appear that the Brexit Party are trying to get their Welsh Assembly members (who defected from UKIP) recognised as a legitimate group.

This is wholly wrong.

I am not sure of the workings of the voting system to the Welsh Assembly, but surely they must have to stand again in a form of by-election so that the respective constituents can pass their verdict on if they want to be represented by them?

You can't criticise the antics of the Change lot in Westminster and then condone doing the same thing yourself. If you believe in democracy Nigel, practice what you preach.

[Shadow]

5 minutes ago, Private Baldrick said:

It would appear that the Brexit Party are trying to get their Welsh Assembly members (who defected from UKIP) recognised as a legitimate group.

This is wholly wrong.

I am not sure of the workings of the voting system to the Welsh Assembly, but surely they must have to stand again in a form of by-election so that the respective constituents can pass their verdict on if they want to be represented by them?

You can't criticise the antics of the Change lot in Westminster and then condone doing the same thing yourself. If you believe in democracy Nigel, practice what you preach.

Nigel Farage in weaselly hypocrisy shock! 

[Private Baldrick]

1 minute ago, Shadow said:

Nigel Farage in weaselly hypocricy shock! 

Oh I am sure he will put his own magic form of spin on it.

[SSoutherner]

Actually this is one i will go with Farage on

It is time people started actually paying attention to who they vote for not the colour of their rosette

 

You do not elect Tory Candidate A.N.Other you elect candiate A.N.Other who happens to be a member of the Conservative party, the fact people can change party (without needing a by-election) is totally fine by me - our MP's (and AM/s MSP's MEP's) are elected to be our representatives, their party is just a way for them to pool resources with people of similar views.

Personally i would see nothing wrong with banning political parties and having all as independents but it would never happen as parties would emerge under a different name anyway

[CanaBull]

Again, watching from afar, I can fully appreciate the need to send a message to the utter shambles of the UK political establishment and their complete lack of courage and conviction.  Thank 30+ years of corporate management PR theory with pithy non-committal soundbites and responsibility avoiding mission statement jargon.  It’s all blamestorming these days.

With a single issue party like the Brexit party, campaigning on getting ‘it’ (Brexit) done, but will not commit to what they as a party think ‘it’ is, not say anything about their plans for supporting the deliverance of ‘it’, no comforting solutions for mitigating the short, medium or long term difficulties of ‘it’, or how they intend to stick around and ensure leadership of a successful economy for Britain after ‘it’ happens, you would have thought there would be a lot more substance to them.

As I say, I fully appreciate the frustration of this whole thing and put the wind up the usual parties, but with no clear idea of what (or even perhaps who given the shadowy nature of the party) you’re really voting for beyond sending a message, the only thing you can be really sure about is voting for the continuance of the current mess.  It’s still a vote against your own interests.

[Niels]

2 hours ago, gingerjon said:

That'd be because the SWP is home to an absolute shower of knobheads.

Who also support Brexit.

They recognise that the majority of older working class Labour Voters in the north voted to leave. 

They also reason that if the left doesn't provide a voice for such people then they will all gravitate towards the right. 

 

[gingerjon]

1 hour ago, Niels said:

They recognise that the majority of older working class Labour Voters in the north voted to leave. 

They also reason that if the left doesn't provide a voice for such people then they will all gravitate towards the right. 

 

That’ll explain their surge up the polls then.

[headtackle]

5 hours ago, Private Baldrick said:

I fully concur with the final paragraph about vote share, I posted something similar a while back on one of the threads.

Personally speaking and having spoken to a few people around my area (mainly Labour supporters) the basic reasoning behind voting for the Brexit Party in the EU elections is down to a disconnect between our nationally elected MP's and us constituents. My MP is Yvette Cooper, and to say she has miffed a lot of her voters around here is an understatement. It boils down to the fact that we were promised something, we voted in a referendum and subsequent General Election being promised the same promises and lo and behold, nothing.

A lot of folk around here will be voting for the Brexit Party to send a message to our MP's, deliver on your promises and you can have our support back. There isn't much love for Farage, people don't care much for him or his politics other than they want to leave the EU and he offers them that chance to give the Westminster lot a kicking and that is what they are going to do. 

What do the mainstream parties expect. Their politicans have either chosen to ignore or deliberately obstruct the outcome of the referendum with all their motions, amendments, spin and propoganda and next Thursday is a day of reckoning.

The split of votes between remain/leave is still like to be be 50:50ish but hopefully a larger slug of anti EU MEPs can help change the climate in Brussels.

Will be interesting how other countries vote but I suspect we are not the only country that is not overly impressed with the EU Project, failing Euro economies, border policies etc etc. A large anti EU alliance of cross party MEPs would be very interesting 

Who knows a more nationalist thinking EU parliament might put a brake on the direction of travel and ideas of federal europe. If that had been done years ago we probably wouldnt be where we are today

 

 

 

 

 

  

[Methven Hornet]

4 hours ago, SSoutherner said:

Actually this is one i will go with Farage on

It is time people started actually paying attention to who they vote for not the colour of their rosette

 

You do not elect Tory Candidate A.N.Other you elect candiate A.N.Other who happens to be a member of the Conservative party, the fact people can change party (without needing a by-election) is totally fine by me - our MP's (and AM/s MSP's MEP's) are elected to be our representatives, their party is just a way for them to pool resources with people of similar views.

Personally i would see nothing wrong with banning political parties and having all as independents but it would never happen as parties would emerge under a different name anyway

No, in the case of ukip's Welsh Assembly members, people voted for the party not the individual. All were elected under the list part of what is called the Additional Member System. Voters choose a party not an individual, and if the party is successful then elected members are chosen from the party candidate list.

[Methven Hornet]

19 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:

"She saw what nationalism did and led to. So no, she wouldn’t want a f**ing cup of tea with him." - Seb Dance MEP

What about a cup of tea with Nicola Sturgeon, the leader of the Scottish National Party?

 

The irony of your statement being that Nicola Sturgeon is one of the least nationalist politicians of British politics, and leader of one of its least nationalist parties.