Lowdesert Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Both Hull clubs agreed to finish this to tie in with SL requirements for next year and Reserve team flexibility. Good think imo as it'll create competition between both Clubs to get more kids playing the game. The amateur game isn't do so well, so hopefully this will help. Unsure whether the Bishop Burton facility will be continued or used by either Club at this time, but I doubt whether that thought will be high on HKR's list right now https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/rugby-league-news/city-hull-academy-disbanded-hull-2886656 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullman Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Excellent news, I was never keen on the idea. The article seems to suggest Hull's academy will continue to be based at Bishop Burton. "I'm from a fishing family. Trawlermen are like pirates with biscuits." - Lucy Beaumont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, Ullman said: Excellent news, I was never keen on the idea. The article seems to suggest Hull's academy will continue to be based at Bishop Burton. They were at BB before the link with Rovers so it's no surprise they are staying there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 31 minutes ago, Ullman said: Excellent news, I was never keen on the idea. The article seems to suggest Hull's academy will continue to be based at Bishop Burton. Neither was I but it seemed to be doing ok. Clear direction now from one source. Great facility at Bishop Burton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie tries Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Great news re reserves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Not sure what Hull KR will do, they need to completely restructure their youth setup and expand their footprint to increase the catchment area. They also need to actually properly invest in it and not pay lip service like previously. Good to see finally the return of u18s and u20s. It should never have been got rid of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZH Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Pleased that this has happened. Wasn't in favour to begin with. I don't think it has failed, but I think the academy is a part of a clubs identity. It also creates complications when deciding which players are going to end up at which clubs. It would make financial sense to continue sharing things like training facilities, but absolutely the academies should be separate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Funkhouser Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 8 hours ago, Lowdesert said: Both Hull clubs agreed to finish this to tie in with SL requirements for next year and Reserve team flexibility. Good think imo as it'll create competition between both Clubs to get more kids playing the game. The amateur game isn't do so well, so hopefully this will help. Unsure whether the Bishop Burton facility will be continued or used by either Club at this time, but I doubt whether that thought will be high on HKR's list right now https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/rugby-league-news/city-hull-academy-disbanded-hull-2886656 "I witnessed 1st hand HKRs. Fortunately for the club they saw the light and grabbed the amalgamation branch. " Built on shifting sands... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, Marty Funkhouser said: "I witnessed 1st hand HKRs. Fortunately for the club they saw the light and grabbed the amalgamation branch. " Built on shifting sands... For a minute, I thought you were talking about the floodlight foundations. Wasn’t good. Maybe they’ll improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, scotchy1 said: Getting rid of the 18's 20's and reserves structure is arguably the reason for the narrowing of the gap between SL and the championship. Of the Bradford team that pulled of that win v Leeds, if not keeping the likes of Lilley, Hallas and Minchella at leeds what is the point of the reserves? Or look at fev and take out Sutcliffe, Briscoe, golding and the youngsters that joined them like darley, whylie et al. There aren't many teams in the championship who dont have some SL loans or some players 21, 22,23 who came from SL clubs that SL clubs will keep for the reserves. 18s and 20s does not stop players going on loan. The 20s is the reserves btw, but it helps first team players who aren’t in the team or coming back from injury to keep match fit. It is better than DR. Youngsters are also getting cut loose too soon. 19 is too soon and they either end up disenchanted and walk away from the game or go part time which is clearly not as beneficial. We need to look at what is the best development programs for youngsters. Just ask the recently retired players. Loans still play a part in this. But players are best kept in full time environments, developing in similar team structures to allow a more seamless transition to first team. Throwing them in with a bunch of strangers, as with DR, who you don’t know strengths and weaknesses, calls, team structures etc does little to aid development. We’ve had this discussion numerous times though, so it’s pointless going over old ground, but I’m glad sense has been found going forward. FYI Minchella was released from Leeds for attitude/off field matters. He always had the ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, scotchy1 said: Loans wont play anywhere near the part that it plays now. If it were to there would be no need for a reserves. I disagree with a reserves and that its development is better for players but whether it is or it isn't, there are going to be very large numbers of players who are going to go from the championship to SL reserves, it is the very reason for it to exist. And that will make the gap between SL and the championship much bigger. And as we know, the make up of professional footy in the northern hemisphere is going to look very different after 2021. The strong will survive, whilst those artificially relying on DR or SL fringe loans are less likely to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKR AWAY DAYS Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 11 hours ago, DoubleD said: Not sure what Hull KR will do, they need to completely restructure their youth setup and expand their footprint to increase the catchment area. They also need to actually properly invest in it and not pay lip service like previously. Good to see finally the return of u18s and u20s. It should never have been got rid of They used to spend £250k a year not that long ago. Hardly lip service. Money doesn't grow on trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, HKR AWAY DAYS said: They used to spend £250k a year not that long ago. Hardly lip service. Money doesn't grow on trees. In any pro club 250k is a considerable sum, but looking at how effective the work was in delivering that 250k worth is a more relevant question. Both Clubs now can have their own agendas, can select players without constraints and, I believe, compete with each other in developing their own pathways and school/college relationships. Ive mentioned before on here that the education side of Academy’s is just as important. Youth are looking to become degree qualified which all clubs aren’t offering. A young man might choose education over a small chance of making pro RL and unless that person was a potential superstar I know which route I’d send my kids down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Do both clubs have their own foundations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, DoubleD said: Do both clubs have their own foundations? Hull do, not sure about HKR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Capdouzey Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 That is a shame. Was really hoping this was a step towards the gradual amalgamation of the two clubs in one small city. SL needs more locations like Barcelona and Toulouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Boy Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Jean Capdouzey said: That is a shame. Was really hoping this was a step towards the gradual amalgamation of the two clubs in one small city. SL needs more locations like Barcelona and Toulouse. Sadly they don't have as much culture as the current UK City of Culture so can't see it getting off the ground - But no harm in pipe dreams Money can't buy you happiness! It can buy you beer and that's a bit like happiness in a glass! "I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." Sir Winston Churchill Some folks are wise and some are otherwise! Tobias Smollett "I distrust camels, and anyone else who can go a week without a drink." Joe E Lewis "Look at the ffing state of that"! My mate on the Avenue last Friday whilst pointing to a scantily clad young lady and spitting a mouthful of beer out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 18 hours ago, scotchy1 said: I disagree with a reserves and that its development is better for players but whether it is or it isn't, there are going to be very large numbers of players who are going to go from the championship to SL reserves, it is the very reason for it to exist. I'm not sure it will work that way. Someone like Elliot Minchella, who bounced from London to Sheffield before arriving at the Bulls, is now 23 years old. What would be the point of Leeds paying him a contract, year after year, just to play in the Reserves (with maybe the odd first team appearance)? Same with Lilley. He's been cut loose because Leeds don't think he'll make the grade. Leeds would surely put out a reserve team that is mix of first-team players returning from injury, those who currently go out on DR to Featherstone, and the best prospects from the current Academy. Isn't going to be the likes of Trout, Sutcliffe, Mustapha, who Leeds think will come through to the first team, rather than hanging on to players who won't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullman Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 5 hours ago, Roy Boy said: Sadly they don't have as much culture as the current UK City of Culture so can't see it getting off the ground - But no harm in pipe dreams Indeed, we shouldn't be too hard on those less blessed than ourselves. "I'm from a fishing family. Trawlermen are like pirates with biscuits." - Lucy Beaumont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullman Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 On 20/05/2019 at 15:06, Lowdesert said: Neither was I but it seemed to be doing ok. Clear direction now from one source. Great facility at Bishop Burton. Cycling past their back gate on the road to Cherry Burton is the extent of my knowledge of the facility. Lovely village though. "I'm from a fishing family. Trawlermen are like pirates with biscuits." - Lucy Beaumont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Funkhouser Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 On 20/05/2019 at 22:07, Lowdesert said: For a minute, I thought you were talking about the floodlight foundations. Wasn’t good. Maybe they’ll improve. Any particular reason why six months or so ago "grabbing the amalgamation branch" was "seeing the light" and yet now you agree it's a "good thing" they have scrapped it...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 11 hours ago, Marty Funkhouser said: Any particular reason why six months or so ago "grabbing the amalgamation branch" was "seeing the light" and yet now you agree it's a "good thing" they have scrapped it...??? At the time, I thought the agreement was mostly made to save costs and personally wouldn't have done it. At the time, and I still do, I believed that each should go their own way. If id been involved in it, I would have supported it and as now a fan, I still did and hoped it would work, until this announcement. The 'seeing the light' extract maybe should have been 'seen an opportunity'. Is that not an opinion anyone could have? I believe each Club requires its identity. I've no malice towards either club. The City needs them both financially healthy, bringing crowds and getting into the Community & Schools. That in itself might be a good thing and create an urgency between the Clubs to up the ante on development and recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimmestStar Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Truth is that the CoHA has never been too popular with fans of either club but we accepted it because we were told it made financial sense. As a Rovers fan we haven't seen any fruits and people like Parksider wrongly thought that Rovers had actually 'done a Salford' and abandoned academy involvement. Well having to pick up half the costs gave a lie to that but for all the good it did us he may as well have been right. Reserves and U18's will be compulsory next year so the CoHA has been put out of it's misery and will be a brief and forgettable punctuation mark in the fullness of time. As an aside surely the biggest impact here is on the Salford club. They are easily the weakest club (not team) in Super League have nothing at all beneath first team level and are sustained purely by TV income. With players galore departing and now the costs of a reserve and U18's to bear in 2020 surely their continued existence as a Super League club is even less viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Bulls Academy Coach John Bastian is leaving to take up a similar post with Hull KR. https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportbulls/17666634.bradford-bulls-head-of-youth-john-bastian-leaving-for-hull-kr/ Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhinos78 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 12 hours ago, Wolford6 said: Bulls Academy Coach John Bastian is leaving to take up a similar post with Hull KR. https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportbulls/17666634.bradford-bulls-head-of-youth-john-bastian-leaving-for-hull-kr/ Great hire for KR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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