Adam Swift to Hull Fc

[DoubleD]

An improvement on any of Hull’s current wingers and too good not to be playing SL regularly 

[Chris22]

1 hour ago, Old Frightful said:

Good grief!

Please not, he's not a quarter of the player Makinson is. I'd have both Wire wingers in before even contemplating Grace.

(And before anybody asks, I don't own any sort of pet that Regan may have run over.)

I wouldn't rule out Grace going on the tour. In fact, I think it would be a smart bet, mainly on the basis that he's Welsh and it's an easy way to get an actual non-English player in the Britain side.

I agree that he's not a patch on Makinson and that Charnley is a better winger than him. But Lineham ahead of Grace 

(will ignore any Wire fans who remind me of the play offsemi final)

[MZH]

3 hours ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

And will MDJ be injured permanently or are we getting rid? Logan is a centre who has covered on the wing, Swift is cover is he not? Charlie James is a 19 year old winger on the clubs books, maybe you should check the squad profiles out now and again.

Buchannon has played wing and considering we have centres aplenty or have you forgotten Griffin, Connor, Tumi, Logan,  then what chance does Buchannon have aside from dire injury.  Well we know what happens, Radford plays an over the hill LF/ utility forward in the shape of Washbrook at centre instead of playing the youngsters (yes, he did that last season!).

My point re Lancaster was that despite absolutely killing it and scoring for fun in an injury crisis at the back end of the season (2014 or 15) he was given no chances, got injured and then left out in the cold and hence why he left. Logan was developing nicely, what happened, we signed an Australian winger/centre, A NZ centre/stand off a Tongan winger (which meant no room for Lancaster either) so he went stale and didn't/hasn't kicked on but backs up at both wing and centre.

It's been the same old story throughout Radford's tenure with our home grown players. Turgut is another, youth international and went nowhere, Ben Crooks was SL dream team player and Radford basically blamed him (and Miller) for our 2014 performances (so dropped them both) despite us having a better win ratio with either or both playing. Basically Crooks was thrown to the fishes, his confidence dropped like a stone and now he's another that had so much potential/star quality and Radford knocked it out of him, same with Miller who despite playing for a much lower budget Wakey side has performed superbly under better coaches. Jordan Adbul is another, pulled up trees at HKR, doing very nicely at London, under Radford, yet another scapegoat!

You say that Radford has introduced young players, yeah so what, look at what he said about Litten and failed to give hoim game time continuing to favour Washbrook when Houghton was injured. But come on, how many players from our academy to debut in the last 5.5 years are actually first XVII players, I'll give you a clue. ZERO!

Radford couldn't develop a dose of the clap in a whorehouse.

It's Charlie Graham, not Charlie James.

[bobbruce]

1 hour ago, Chris22 said:

I wouldn't rule out Grace going on the tour. In fact, I think it would be a smart bet, mainly on the basis that he's Welsh and it's an easy way to get an actual non-English player in the Britain side.

I agree that he's not a patch on Makinson and that Charnley is a better winger than him. But Lineham ahead of Grace 

(will ignore any Wire fans who remind me of the play offsemi final)

There’ll be loads of non English players Coote,Austin,Millington.....

[MZH]

Whilst Denton is, as usual, a bit ranty and over the top in his criticism of Radford, he does make a point that I kind of agree with in a roundabout way.

The teams that have had success in the SL era have had squads made up of highly paid top class players with faith being put into the youngsters to fill in the gaps in the squad. If you don't produce your own it means you have to pay over the odds to bring players in and it leaves you unable to spend the money on the big players.

Swift is a decent enough player, but is it the best use of cap space? He is likely to be 3rd choice winger, and we already have Dawson-Jones. That's 4 non-club produced wingers over the age of 26. If Jones were moving on then it would make sense, but if not then it seems excessive. Would rather put more faith in the likes of Sanderson, Graham, Buchanan, perhaps even Wynne, and spend the money elsewhere where we really need strengthening. 

[Oliver Clothesoff]

7 hours ago, MZH said:

Whilst Denton is, as usual, a bit ranty and over the top in his criticism of Radford, he does make a point that I kind of agree with in a roundabout way.

The teams that have had success in the SL era have had squads made up of highly paid top class players with faith being put into the youngsters to fill in the gaps in the squad. If you don't produce your own it means you have to pay over the odds to bring players in and it leaves you unable to spend the money on the big players.

Swift is a decent enough player, but is it the best use of cap space? He is likely to be 3rd choice winger, and we already have Dawson-Jones. That's 4 non-club produced wingers over the age of 26. If Jones were moving on then it would make sense, but if not then it seems excessive. Would rather put more faith in the likes of Sanderson, Graham, Buchanan, perhaps even Wynne, and spend the money elsewhere where we really need strengthening. 

Naulogo only signed a one year deal, would the signing of Swift not suggest he’s a replacement for him?

[overtheborder]

Great signing for Hull, always been impressed with Swift when I've seen him play for saints. Really pacy and seems to have a knack of (if I remember correctly) scoring long range tries, I'd be happy with that if i was a Hull fan.

[DoubleD]

8 hours ago, MZH said:

Whilst Denton is, as usual, a bit ranty and over the top in his criticism of Radford, he does make a point that I kind of agree with in a roundabout way.

The teams that have had success in the SL era have had squads made up of highly paid top class players with faith being put into the youngsters to fill in the gaps in the squad. If you don't produce your own it means you have to pay over the odds to bring players in and it leaves you unable to spend the money on the big players. 

Swift is a decent enough player, but is it the best use of cap space? He is likely to be 3rd choice winger, and we already have Dawson-Jones. That's 4 non-club produced wingers over the age of 26. If Jones were moving on then it would make sense, but if not then it seems excessive. Would rather put more faith in the likes of Sanderson, Graham, Buchanan, perhaps even Wynne, and spend the money elsewhere where we really need strengthening.  

Yeah there's probably a middle ground between the extremes.

For example, Lancaster did score for fun in the Academy but if he was that good, surely other SL clubs would have come after him when Hull decided not to retain him, and he wouldn't be playing lower level yawnion now

[GeordieSaint]

Is this an immediate move or next year?

[Moove]

1 hour ago, overtheborder said:

Great signing for Hull, always been impressed with Swift when I've seen him play for saints. Really pacy and seems to have a knack of (if I remember correctly) scoring long range tries, I'd be happy with that if i was a Hull fan.

Can't say I can remember many long range tries but he's a good finisher from 10-15 yards out. Defensively a bit suspect over the years but has definitely improved in that regard more recently. Don't expect him to make many yards bringing the ball out. In a salary cap world he's a good signing as a second winger, dependable and durable enough without setting the world alight allowing you to spend elsewhere.

[Lowdesert]

13 hours ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

And will MDJ be injured permanently or are we getting rid? Logan is a centre who has covered on the wing, Swift is cover is he not? Charlie James is a 19 year old winger on the clubs books, maybe you should check the squad profiles out now and again.

Buchannon has played wing and considering we have centres aplenty or have you forgotten Griffin, Connor, Tumi, Logan,  then what chance does Buchannon have aside from dire injury.  Well we know what happens, Radford plays an over the hill LF/ utility forward in the shape of Washbrook at centre instead of playing the youngsters (yes, he did that last season!).

My point re Lancaster was that despite absolutely killing it and scoring for fun in an injury crisis at the back end of the season (2014 or 15) he was given no chances, got injured and then left out in the cold and hence why he left. Logan was developing nicely, what happened, we signed an Australian winger/centre, A NZ centre/stand off a Tongan winger (which meant no room for Lancaster either) so he went stale and didn't/hasn't kicked on but backs up at both wing and centre.

It's been the same old story throughout Radford's tenure with our home grown players. Turgut is another, youth international and went nowhere, Ben Crooks was SL dream team player and Radford basically blamed him (and Miller) for our 2014 performances (so dropped them both) despite us having a better win ratio with either or both playing. Basically Crooks was thrown to the fishes, his confidence dropped like a stone and now he's another that had so much potential/star quality and Radford knocked it out of him, same with Miller who despite playing for a much lower budget Wakey side has performed superbly under better coaches. Jordan Adbul is another, pulled up trees at HKR, doing very nicely at London, under Radford, yet another scapegoat!

You say that Radford has introduced young players, yeah so what, look at what he said about Litten and failed to give hoim game time continuing to favour Washbrook when Houghton was injured. But come on, how many players from our academy to debut in the last 5.5 years are actually first XVII players, I'll give you a clue. ZERO!

Radford couldn't develop a dose of the clap in a whorehouse.

Just reaffirming you don’t know what’s going on at Hull FC with quotes like this - “MDJ but he's either been left out (or is injured), ” He’s been out injured for 3 months.

Carry on demonstrating the RLFans standard.

 

 

[Sparse Attendance]

14 hours ago, Old Frightful said:

Good grief!

Please not, he's not a quarter of the player Makinson is. I'd have both Wire wingers in before even contemplating Grace.

(And before anybody asks, I don't own any sort of pet that Regan may have run over.)

We’ll have to see how things go for the rest of the season. Id expect Makinson’s stats to be loads better than Grace’s so far this year. But it’s good to see Grace improving all the time. 

[Sparse Attendance]

I like Swift it’ll be sad to see him leave Saints but if he wants first team rugby league then who can blame him. He’s scored some cracking tries for the club, i hope he’s a big success at FC. 

[Lowdesert]

3 hours ago, GeordieSaint said:

Is this an immediate move or next year?

Its yet to be confirmed!

 

[Hughsehhh]

1 hour ago, Sparse Attendance said:

We’ll have to see how things go for the rest of the season. Id expect Makinson’s stats to be loads better than Grace’s so far this year. But it’s good to see Grace improving all the time. 

Not at all, Grace has scored more tries and made more clean breaks. Makinson comes out on top in metres made. The super league stats website is really good, even down to missed tackles charts lol 

[Lowdesert]

3 hours ago, DoubleD said:

Yeah there's probably a middle ground between the extremes.

For example, Lancaster did score for fun in the Academy but if he was that good, surely other SL clubs would have come after him when Hull decided not to retain him, and he wouldn't be playing lower level yawnion now

Exactly.  Lancaster immediately went to RU, but the cries to fill the team with youth are well off the mark.  Sure, they have to play sometime to be tested but this mentality isn't shared by Saints who have been the best side in SL by a distance this year.  They have only tested Welsby and if any team has the luxury of being able to load up with under 20s its them.  They haven't.  Neither have Wire.  

Nobody want Hulls youth do well better than me.  Sometimes mistakes are made with players being moved on and then developing.  All clubs can name them.  Hull are no different.

Ive said several times on here that although the RFL audit our academies and some get an 'Outstanding' rating, if players aren't then progressing into the 1st team, there is something wrong with the audit process or the Auditors .  Becoming a 1st team player should be the main objective.  

 

 

 

 

[Sparse Attendance]

2 hours ago, Hughsehhh said:

Not at all, Grace has scored more tries and made more clean breaks. Makinson comes out on top in metres made. The super league stats website is really good, even down to missed tackles charts lol 

Ah right very good Hughsehhh. Grace only really got his chance when Cunningham was sacked, those Dark Ages were bad for Saints fans. 

[MZH]

11 hours ago, Oliver Clothesoff said:

Naulogo only signed a one year deal, would the signing of Swift not suggest he’s a replacement for him?

That is of course a possibility, but Naulago has done very well and he has expressed a desire to continue in RL. We would be daft not to extend.

If he is going and Swift is going to be first choice then I would be underwhelmed tbh.

[HS98]

Confirmed

https://www.hullfc.com/news/2019-05-29-fc-secure-adam-swift-for-2020

[Hullfan]

1 minute ago, HS98 said:

Confirmed

https://www.hullfc.com/news/2019-05-29-fc-secure-adam-swift-for-2020

Old news Bob carver wrapping paper this 

[Old Frightful]

Just received a text saying "Adam Swift two years".

I had my fingers crossed it was a prison sentence.

[Lowdesert]

1 hour ago, Hullfan said:

Old news Bob carver wrapping paper this 

Go down to County Road much Hullfan?

[Oliver Clothesoff]

1 hour ago, Old Frightful said:

Just received a text saying "Adam Swift two years".

I had my fingers crossed it was a prison sentence.

Aye, when you’ve got Matty “how the **** has he been let near a Rugby pitch” Dawson on your books, everyone else is a downgrade. 

[Old Frightful]

Good point.

I remember posting on here what a fantastic signing Matty Dawson Jones was and wondering how we'd beaten off all the stiff NRL competition for his signature.

Actually, maybe I didn't so perhaps it wasn't such a great point.

[Oliver Clothesoff]

1 minute ago, Old Frightful said:

Good point.

I remember posting on here what a fantastic signing Matty Dawson Jones was and wondering how we'd beaten off all the stiff NRL competition for his signature.

Actually, maybe I didn't so perhaps it wasn't such a great point.

You deserve to support a club that gets humped every other week.