Peterborough By Election

[Maximus Decimus]

1 hour ago, 17 stone giant said:

Someone from the Brexit Party said last night on the Andrew Neil politics show that it was something like 200th on their list of targets.

They can undoubtedly be trusted in all they say. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:

Someone from the Brexit Party said last night on the Andrew Neil politics show that it was something like 200th on their list of targets.

Was that before the result or after it ?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

4 hours ago, Martyn Sadler said:

Very true, though.

I was surprised to see the Tory vote holding up as much as it did.

The Brexit candidate just wasn't good enough to pull them across.

That's their problem, they haven't got the infrastructure and calibre of candidates to compete on the big stage in a General Election.

[tonyXIII]

31 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

That's their problem, they haven't got the infrastructure and calibre of candidates to compete on the big stage in a General Election.

"Calibre of candidates"? Have you checked out the Tories or Labour recently? Scraping the barrel, both of them.

[Saintslass]

10 hours ago, M j M said:

Says someone who proudly and knowingly voted for a terrorist sympathiser.

Nope, I voted for Dr Bull.

[Griff9of13]

1 minute ago, Saintslass said:

Nope, I voted for Dr Bull.

No matter how often you tell yourself that it won't make it true.

[Bedford Roughyed]

3 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

Nope, I voted for Dr Bull.

Your desire to express a protest vote was greater than your hatred of IRA sympathisers, I can understand why it causes you such angst, but telling yourself such stories isn't very helpful.  

[17 stone giant]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Was that before the result or after it ?

After.

[17 stone giant]

3 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said:

They can undoubtedly be trusted in all they say. 

I'm not sure that any of them can anymore. The Labour guy on the show was really made to squirm, such was his inability to give a straight answer to anything.

[Trojan]

9 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Is that a change? Cos he's stood before whilst being an MEP, and we've had some politicians like Caroline Lucas who have been both at the same time (I think).

Just shows what you can miss even when you're interested.  I wasn't aware the free play rule had changed until last week!

[Saintslass]

2 hours ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

Your desire to express a protest vote was greater than your hatred of IRA sympathisers, I can understand why it causes you such angst, but telling yourself such stories isn't very helpful.  

*yawn*  Whatever.

[Pen-Y-Bont Crusader]

How about answering the Irish border question on the other thread if you are that bored then ?

[Saintslass]

It appears that a proper problem has arisen with the new Labour MP for Peterborough.  Not only was she caught liking the anti-Semitic tweet (or Facebook post, whichever it was) which she claimed she liked accidentally but now it has been discovered that she 'accidentally' liked a post in which it was claimed that Mossad established ISIS and she also 'accidentally' signed a letter protesting against the Labour party adopting the international definition of anti-Semitism.

[Phil]

13 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

It appears that a proper problem has arisen with the new Labour MP for Peterborough.  Not only was she caught liking the anti-Semitic tweet (or Facebook post, whichever it was) which she claimed she liked accidentally but now it has been discovered that she 'accidentally' liked a post in which it was claimed that Mossad established ISIS and she also 'accidentally' signed a letter protesting against the Labour party adopting the international definition of anti-Semitism.

And yet she was voted in ahead of the tory, you must be spitting feathers

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

47 minutes ago, Phil said:

And yet she was voted in ahead of the tory, you must be spitting feathers

Yeah I bet it's the sole subject of conversation in the pubs and clubs of Peterborough tonight.

[M j M]

6 hours ago, Saintslass said:

Nope, I voted for Dr Bull.

You literally put a cross next to her name FFS. When will you take some personal responsibility for what you did?

[Niels]

14 minutes ago, M j M said:

You literally put a cross next to her name FFS. When will you take some personal responsibility for what you did?

The UK (excepting NI) vote was a closed list so voters are actually voting for a party not a named individual. (It is the party that lists the candidates order).

In countries which have an open list (Sweden,Holland) voters do actually vote for preference of candidates and the party and can affect the order. 

So for example I voted Yorkshire Party not for an individual. I didn't particularly take notice of the order of candidates as I have no control over this. 

Of course people were put off a party because of the lead candidate. However that is different to actually voting for any individual. 

[Just Browny]

7 hours ago, Niels said:

The UK (excepting NI) vote was a closed list so voters are actually voting for a party not a named individual. (It is the party that lists the candidates order).

In countries which have an open list (Sweden,Holland) voters do actually vote for preference of candidates and the party and can affect the order. 

So for example I voted Yorkshire Party not for an individual. I didn't particularly take notice of the order of candidates as I have no control over this. 

Of course people were put off a party because of the lead candidate. However that is different to actually voting for any individual. 

I can see her name on the list, next to the number 1.

[The Future is League]

Back on topic and i really thought that the Brexit party would win this by-election, but possibly the thought that the Polish community would leave and the locals might have to work on the farms focused some minds

[Saintslass]

13 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Back on topic and i really thought that the Brexit party would win this by-election, but possibly the thought that the Polish community would leave and the locals might have to work on the farms focused some minds

I doubt that had any effect at all; 60% voted leave in the EU referendum.  The split in the leave vote between the Tories and the Brexit Party allowed Labour to hold the seat, although apparently on the lowest ever vote share for a win in a by-election so not exactly reason for the Labour party to be joyous.  And it may be that the whole process will happen again if Labour actually act on their MP's anti-Semitism (don't hold your breath).

[The Future is League]

2 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

I doubt that had any effect at all; 60% voted leave in the EU referendum.  The split in the leave vote between the Tories and the Brexit Party allowed Labour to hold the seat, although apparently on the lowest ever vote share for a win in a by-election so not exactly reason for the Labour party to be joyous.  And it may be that the whole process will happen again if Labour actually act on their MP's anti-Semitism (don't hold your breath).

I repeat i expected the Brexit party to win this by-election.

You would have to be pretty dumb to have voted Tory in this by-election if you believe in Brexit.

[Saintslass]

2 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

I repeat i expected the Brexit party to win this by-election.

You would have to be pretty dumb to have voted Tory in this by-election if you believe in Brexit.

Why?  They are the party in government and therefore, in theory anyway (given their record to date), the only party which can actually deliver Brexit.  Also, in a by-election, some Tories would not want to vote for another party.  A by-election is different from the EU elections.  If I'd been a Peterborough voter I wouldn't have voted for the Brexit Party.  I would have voted Conservative.  I don't want to let Corbyn in by the back door through splitting the right of centre vote.

[Just Browny]

48 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

I doubt that had any effect at all; 60% voted leave in the EU referendum.  The split in the leave vote between the Tories and the Brexit Party allowed Labour to hold the seat, although apparently on the lowest ever vote share for a win in a by-election so not exactly reason for the Labour party to be joyous.  And it may be that the whole process will happen again if Labour actually act on their MP's anti-Semitism (don't hold your breath).

The Tories are a left-of-centre Remain party.

Or so I have read in your posts.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

9 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

The Tories are a left-of-centre Remain party.

Or so I have read in your posts.

The Tories have become " one of two revolutionary parties of the right, firmly set on a path that could be described as nationalist or populist ".

The old Conservative Party is rapidly ceasing to exist as It spends all it's time fighting the Brexit Party for the 30% to 35% of the voters who normally vote with a right wing slant.

[Saintslass]

45 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

The Tories are a left-of-centre Remain party.

Or so I have read in your posts.

Under May they have definitely been more New Labour than Tory, which is very unfortunate and I hope that drift comes to an end under the next leader (although at the moment I am not too hopeful).

Most Tory MPs are indeed pro-remain.  The membership is largely pro-leave.  The voters of late have been mainly pro-leave.  May's lies and irresponsibility have led to the very split in the leave vote I mentioned in the post you referred to, a split which was reflected in the Peterborough by-election and which let in Labour by the back door, something I would not want to see at a general election which is why I would vote Tory in a GE now that May has gone (although if her replacement was as bad or worse then I reserve the right to change my mind on that!) even if it meant holding my nose because the drift to the left continued.