The Daddy Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Apparently he's the 17th best forward ever in the SL era ahead of Lee Gilmour and Chris Hill according to RL World. That is literally one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in all my years as a RL fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M j M Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Fortunately there are people who have a better understanding of Rugby League than you out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawschach Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, M j M said: Fortunately there are people who have a better understanding of Rugby League than you out there. Not the people who choose the 20 best forwards obviously.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Just British or any nationality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawschach Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Sculthorpe A Farrell Fielden Fairleigh Vagana Anderson Morley Hill Graham Sinfield Mackay Cunningham Roby Lowes Peacock O Loughlin Bateman Whitehead Vowles Bird Burgess McNamara Shiels Walmsley Thompson Forshaw Watts Clarke L Farrell Dymock Hetherington Lautiti Delaney Gilmour Was he better than any of these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Id struggle to put him in Leeds top 20 forwards of the Superleague era, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Rawschach said: Sculthorpe A Farrell Fielden Fairleigh Vagana Anderson Morley Hill Graham Sinfield Mackay Cunningham Roby Lowes Peacock O Loughlin Bateman Whitehead Vowles Bird Burgess McNamara Shiels Walmsley Thompson Forshaw Watts Clarke L Farrell Dymock Hetherington Lautiti Delaney Gilmour Was he better than any of these? Westwood lealui Ellis Smith (Jason) Perrellini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Clothesoff Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Did RL not exist before ‘96? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigbyLuger Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 He's a "legend" according to many after he retired. They also said Lee Smith was one though. Not in the top 20 of the Super League era at all. Carried by much better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnleywelsh Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, Oliver Clothesoff said: Did RL not exist before ‘96? The post was about the SL era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Clothesoff Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, burnleywelsh said: The post was about the SL era. Everything is about the Super League era though. Every stat used by Sky, every article of this nature etc are SL era only. After a while it’s tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whippet13 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 7 hours ago, Oliver Clothesoff said: Everything is about the Super League era though. Every stat used by Sky, every article of this nature etc are SL era only. After a while it’s tiresome. It's absolutely no different in the NRL, watch any game and pretty much all the game stats are NRL era. Other sports are the same though, this is not RL exclusive. Understand why as they are trying to sell what is happening now, but it does irk me sometimes. Off the top of my head from Wigan alone to the above names I would add Simon Haughton, Phil Bailey, Thomas Leuluai, Stuart Fielden, Terry Newton, Mick Cassidy, Gareth Hock and Michael McIlorum as better SL forwards. Not necessarily more popular or successful, but certainly better in my view. I rate Ryan Bailey at around the Ricky Bibey level (no offence to Ricky if he reads this) in terms of playing ability, he was fortunate to be in the right place at the right time at Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plow Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 7 hours ago, Oliver Clothesoff said: Everything is about the Super League era though. Every stat used by Sky, every article of this nature etc are SL era only. After a while it’s tiresome. Same with the Premier League but I think football acknowledge pre PL more than rugby league acknolages pre Super League, for example when Leeds won their last title it was their 8th, with everyone completely ignoring the 3 they won before SL. As for threads like this it is more relevant and easier to create a list of the past 20 years than the last 125 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBone Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 8 hours ago, Oliver Clothesoff said: Did RL not exist before ‘96? yes, but Super League didn’t, but either way Bailey wouldn’t be on many people’s top 20 players in any period. However, he might make the top 20 anti hero list of quite a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Frightful Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 9 hours ago, The Daddy said: Apparently he's the 17th best forward ever in the SL era ahead of Lee Gilmour and Chris Hill according to RL World. That is literally one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in all my years as a RL fan. Al though lists like that are fairly subjective, the inclusion of Bailey in any top 100 forwards of SL area would surely be ludicrous, let alone top 20. He played in a very good Leeds team and managed to keep his place so I suppose that says a little for him. As for being above Chris Hill, well, Hill seems to be transforming into a Ryan Bailey type figure with each passing week. Outstanding forward when joining Wire a while back, he now seems to only get noticed for the number of times he gets dragged out by the ref for unsavoury incidents, and that's aside from him being spoken to as captain. Hull FC....The Sons of God... (Well, we are about to be crucified on Good Friday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Clothesoff Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 250+ views and 20 replies on here alone. Now factor in social media platforms of Facebook and Twitter plus then people who write into RL World. They’ve done their job. They’ve created content that is so subjective that people are reacting to it and generating hits on websites, replies on social media and potentially sales in newsagents and train stations of the physical copy of the magazine. Whether Ryan Bailey ranked 1st or 237th in a poll, there is no actual barometer to measure “best” by, so RLW have done this well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 He had the potential to be in the top 10 when he first appeared on the scene , great I thought , this kids going to smash the Aussies all over the pitch , then he just became a bit of a joke , more interested in winding up the opposition than playing RL or developing his game Shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adelaide Tiger Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 9 hours ago, Oliver Clothesoff said: Everything is about the Super League era though. Every stat used by Sky, every article of this nature etc are SL era only. After a while it’s tiresome. .... and have you ever heard the SKY football commentators refer to Dixie Deans 60 goals in a season when discussing the Premiership leading scorers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Clothesoff Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Adelaide Tiger said: .... and have you ever heard the SKY football commentators refer to Dixie Deans 60 goals in a season when discussing the Premiership leading scorers? Does that make it okay then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adelaide Tiger Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Oliver Clothesoff said: Does that make it okay then? Err no, I was actually agreeing with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 It is impossible to judge players from the past , since the introduction of SL we have footage to judge from , prior to that we don't , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Funkhouser Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 10 hours ago, Rawschach said: Sculthorpe A Farrell Fielden Fairleigh Vagana Anderson Morley Hill Graham Sinfield Mackay Cunningham Roby Lowes Peacock O Loughlin Bateman Whitehead Vowles Bird Burgess McNamara Shiels Walmsley Thompson Forshaw Watts Clarke L Farrell Dymock Hetherington Lautiti Delaney Gilmour Was he better than any of these? While in total agreement with the OP, Bailey is certainly better than the converted winger Mackay and the blown up full back Mcnamara... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Boy Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Easy way to judge these things is their value to a club etc - great players demand top wages... I bet he hasn’t got a massive amount in the bank! Money can't buy you happiness! It can buy you beer and that's a bit like happiness in a glass! "I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." Sir Winston Churchill Some folks are wise and some are otherwise! Tobias Smollett "I distrust camels, and anyone else who can go a week without a drink." Joe E Lewis "Look at the ffing state of that"! My mate on the Avenue last Friday whilst pointing to a scantily clad young lady and spitting a mouthful of beer out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawschach Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, Marty Funkhouser said: While in total agreement with the OP, Bailey is certainly better than the converted winger Mackay and the blown up full back Mcnamara... I meant Brad Mackay the loose forward who played for Bradford. McNamara was quality for a couple of seasons so I stand by that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Funkhouser Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Rawschach said: I meant Brad Mackay the loose forward who played for Bradford. McNamara was quality for a couple of seasons so I stand by that one. Decent player in Australia but one season with Bradford with not the greatest impact, although Challenge Cup win, is hardly comparable to a multi season , multi grand final career in SL. Whilst Bailey is far from a "great"I think the Bradford/Leeds stuff is getting in the way there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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