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On 10/06/2019 at 16:03, meast said:

2 failing clubs, both with assets, both with dilapidated, aged, stadiums, one, sat on prime real estate, one local authority eager to regenerate the area, a few grants and local businesses also eager to regenerate the town, it had nothing to do with Oldham's demise AFAIK and more to do with the opportunity, hard work and efforts of a few.

Not saying that Huddersfield caused Oldhams demise Mr Meast.

The situation was more or less identical for both towns.My point was that Huddersfield took their opportunity and Oldham didn't.The moment was there for both towns.

I can remember back in 96 being at a REM concert at the Mcalpine thinking why doesn't Oldham do this.Then a few years later when Huddersfield were becoming a full-time pro club and beating Oldham easily,I was thinking why didn't Oldham do this.We had the real estate.If only we had the few Huddersfield had.They were the difference.

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7 hours ago, andykenny said:

The situation was more or less identical for both towns.My point was that Huddersfield took their opportunity and Oldham didn't.The moment was there for both towns..

The major difference is that the authorities in Huddersfield promised to provide a new ground and did so. Oldham Council promised a new ground ... and didn't do so.

The Leader of Oldham Council at the time was John Battye and the chairman of Oldham RL was Jim Quinn ......so just think of B&Q when looking for reasons which caused the demise of the Oldham club. (NB : Before any litigation comes my way I had better point out those two are not connected with the well-known company of that name).

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This conspiracy theory has been bandied about since the closure of Watersheddings yet neither protagonists have replied to the accusation.

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On 10/06/2019 at 06:08, roughyedspud said:

Even in our recent history as a new club there's not many clubs that have been to as many grand finals as we have...can't bloody win em' like but at least we got there lol..

7 or 8 grand finals appearances ,trans pennies cup runner up 1998, 1 game away from SL in 2002 and league one champions in 2015....no bad for 21 years..with no money and no facilities lol..

 

I just need to win the euromillions and we'll be back up there..

Why do Oldham not play at the soccer ground? Surely it would make sense to have it used 12 months of the year and ger back to playing in Oldham. 

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3 minutes ago, saintspete83 said:

Why do Oldham not play at the soccer ground? Surely it would make sense to have it used 12 months of the year and ger back to playing in Oldham. 

Cost, and the poor relationship between the CEO and the football club due to previous incidents 

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7 hours ago, jroyales said:

This conspiracy theory has been bandied about since the closure of Watersheddings yet neither protagonists have replied to the accusation.

I'm gonna issue a freedom of information request to the council regarding the purchase and re sale of watersheddings..

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17 hours ago, roughyedspud said:

I'm gonna issue a freedom of information request to the council regarding the purchase and re sale of watersheddings..

Spud it will purely say that the council and Jim Quinn shafted the once great club 

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12 minutes ago, TheLegendOfTexEvans said:

Sad reality is I cant see Oldham surviving once League One is scrapped.

 

Your probably right mate, after the new sky deal kicks in we'll probably see a host of lower league clubs go to the wall, Oldham included. At least we have enough amateur clubs in the town to follow if people wish. I support my town,I've always lived around 15 minutes walk from where watersheddings used to be so it's in the blood. When it does happen and I hope it doesn't it'll be Saddleworth ranger's for me. To lose our town team twice would be final and it would hurt us all. 

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1 hour ago, moorside roughyed said:

Your probably right mate, after the new sky deal kicks in we'll probably see a host of lower league clubs go to the wall, Oldham included. At least we have enough amateur clubs in the town to follow if people wish. I support my town,I've always lived around 15 minutes walk from where watersheddings used to be so it's in the blood. When it does happen and I hope it doesn't it'll be Saddleworth ranger's for me. To lose our town team twice would be final and it would hurt us all. 

Oldham, with all their history should at least be a strong Championship Club. I hope that one day they can become one and have a decent Stadium in their own town. 

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I've finally found an article I was looking for and which was in the Oldham Evening Chronicle, dated 20 January 1997, the day after the final match at Watersheddings and was in a special 4-page pull-out the local newspaper published for the occasion.

Quotes from that article ... (and note Oldham were called the Bears at that time. Thank goodness they have reverted to the Roughyeds - for which an explanation of the name can be provided if required)

"Bears' chairman Jim Quinn and Oldham Council leader, Councillor John Battye, urged rugby league fans to back the Bears when speaking after yesterday's farewell-to-Watersheddings match."

"Councillor Battye said that plans for a new 15,000 all-seater stadium would go before the council on 29 January before which the council would hold top-level talks with Oldham Athletic and the Bears.

"If Sheffield and Huddersfield can have a new stadium, why not Oldham ?"This town has been a rugby league town for 100 years and the council wants to make sure that continues."

"We have to look forward .... at Boundary park next season, and, hopefully, in a new stadium within the next year of two."

It never happened and the B&Q connection (Battye and Quinn) both disappeared into the sunset, leaving the club to die. (For those unaware, the current Oldham club was a totally new concern which began from scratch and has no connection to the original club which was forced to fold less than 12 months after leaving Watersheddings - and after those comments made above - and with no ground to play on.)

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1 hour ago, Gooleboy said:

Oldham, with all their history should at least be a strong Championship Club. I hope that one day they can become one and have a decent Stadium in their own town. 

Unfortunately Rugby League will do what it always does when things get tough.

Get rid of as many of the weaker historical clubs and replace them with short lived flash in pan new ones.

 

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9 hours ago, RL does what Sky says said:

I've finally found an article I was looking for and which was in the Oldham Evening Chronicle, dated 20 January 1997, the day after the final match at Watersheddings and was in a special 4-page pull-out the local newspaper published for the occasion.

Quotes from that article ... (and note Oldham were called the Bears at that time. Thank goodness they have reverted to the Roughyeds - for which an explanation of the name can be provided if required)

"Bears' chairman Jim Quinn and Oldham Council leader, Councillor John Battye, urged rugby league fans to back the Bears when speaking after yesterday's farewell-to-Watersheddings match."

"Councillor Battye said that plans for a new 15,000 all-seater stadium would go before the council on 29 January before which the council would hold top-level talks with Oldham Athletic and the Bears.

"If Sheffield and Huddersfield can have a new stadium, why not Oldham ?"This town has been a rugby league town for 100 years and the council wants to make sure that continues."

"We have to look forward .... at Boundary park next season, and, hopefully, in a new stadium within the next year of two."

It never happened and the B&Q connection (Battye and Quinn) both disappeared into the sunset, leaving the club to die. (For those unaware, the current Oldham club was a totally new concern which began from scratch and has no connection to the original club which was forced to fold less than 12 months after leaving Watersheddings - and after those comments made above - and with no ground to play on.)

The final nail in the coffin for "sports park 2000" ,as the proposal was called, was labour losing control of the council to the lib dems in 99/2000 ish

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5 minutes ago, roughyedspud said:

The final nail in the coffin for "sports park 2000" ,as the proposal was called, was labour losing control of the council to the lib dems in 99/2000 ish

I agree with the fact that the change of council did eventually cause the project to cease but that didn't occur until 2000. Yet John Battye had said "plans for a new 15,000 all-seater stadium would go before the council on 29 January" (ie: just 9 days after those comments and over 3 years before the change of council, by which time the original club had folded).

Yes I know these things take time but there had been no progress on the matter when he was still in charge in those three years despite him also saying "the council wants to make sure that (ie RL in Oldham) continues."

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With Oldham being such a hotbed of the game is there actually much support for the professional side from within the game and the amateur clubs and the amateur players and fans?

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1 hour ago, Damien said:

With Oldham being such a hotbed of the game is there actually much support for the professional side from within the game and the amateur clubs and the amateur players and fans?

I do think it might be more of a case of are the professional club doing enough to gain favour with those you mention ? As much as everyone involved with RL in the town owes a great deal of gratitude to Oldham RL chairman Chris Hamilton for having formed the new club in 1997 and his efforts to keep it going since then, the once previous strong bond between the amateur and professional sections in the town does appear not to be one of his major concerns.

Yes, the original club used to own the ground at Watersheddings where every year on Good Friday morning the local amateur league's Standard Cup final often attracted one of the largest attendances of the season, yet that event now takes place on the Oldham Rugby Union ground. Some efforts to encourage it to again be played on the local professional club's ground might at least show those involved with the town's amateur game that they are indeed looked upon by the senior club as a valuable asset.  

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On 09/06/2019 at 10:02, jroyales said:

Another major problem, one I suppose that affects other clubs is the, is the attendees are the same as before and getting older. The town was had a thriving school rugby set up, at both junior and secondary level but no more.  This demise doesn't get youngsters interested in the sport with the result that fewer youngsters go on to play open age rugby.

Oldham did have probably one of the game's strongest open age set ups with most teams having two teams playing at weekends. None of the existing teams have enough players to field just one team anymore and many have given up and gone out of existence. I feel summer rugby is a major contributory factor and has killed open age rugby and has caused many of the problems the senior game has now.

The powers that be need to read these concerns and get their heads out of the sand before the game dies instead of just drawing their fat salaries and swanning off for a jolly in Singapore!

I am not sure Where you information on the openage setups comes from as currently Saddleworth Rangers has 2 open age sides as does St Annes the town also still has Waterhead with one team and Higginshaw again with one team. Yes the town has lost quite a few teams over the years but the clubs that are still in existence are still keeping the flame afloat. The main issue i feel and this is not just OLdham but across the M62 Corridor is the current scholarship and academy systems in place.  

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18 hours ago, Gooleboy said:

Oldham, with all their history should at least be a strong Championship Club. I hope that one day they can become one and have a decent Stadium in their own town. 

So do I mate. I remember when thousands turned up at watersheddings on match day. Now hundreds turn up at a ground that is basically just a pitch. I mentioned to quite a few people that I don't think rugby league is as relevant in the town as it once was. Quite a few small clubs will go to the wall after these new upcoming negotiations  with sky,that's my take on it anyway. Sad times.

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On 17/06/2019 at 20:08, saintspete83 said:

Why do Oldham not play at the soccer ground? Surely it would make sense to have it used 12 months of the year and ger back to playing in Oldham. 

No, thanks, no to rugby league being played on postage stamps. 

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40 minutes ago, moorside roughyed said:

I don't think rugby league is as relevant in the town as it once was

Agreed. Oldham was always considered more of a rugby town rather than a soccer hotbed. Although Oldham Athletic were obviously getting large crowds at the time of them playing all the glamour clubs in the FA Premier Division, the average attendance at Watersheddings in that period was still more than 1/3 that at Boundary Park.

As Moorside Roughyed says, RL does not seem as relevant to the town as it was and in part is due to several reasons: 1) The local evening newspaper itself went bust a few years ago and thus prevented regular RL news being made more public to those in the town. 2) Watersheddings was on the "right side of town" and where most of local amateur teams are based, whereas the current ground is in an area not well-known for its rugby following. 3} The population of the town now includes many people or their ancestors who were not brought up in the town nor had even heard of RL during their earlier years and have no interest in wanting to do so as it isn't "their team".

Therefore, as time passes by then it could well be that more and more people will feel less affiliation with the club.

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3 hours ago, RL does what Sky says said:

Agreed. Oldham was always considered more of a rugby town rather than a soccer hotbed. Although Oldham Athletic were obviously getting large crowds at the time of them playing all the glamour clubs in the FA Premier Division, the average attendance at Watersheddings in that period was still more than 1/3 that at Boundary Park.

As Moorside Roughyed says, RL does not seem as relevant to the town as it was and in part is due to several reasons: 1) The local evening newspaper itself went bust a few years ago and thus prevented regular RL news being made more public to those in the town. 2) Watersheddings was on the "right side of town" and where most of local amateur teams are based, whereas the current ground is in an area not well-known for its rugby following. 3} The population of the town now includes many people or their ancestors who were not brought up in the town nor had even heard of RL during their earlier years and have no interest in wanting to do so as it isn't "their team".

Therefore, as time passes by then it could well be that more and more people will feel less affiliation with the club.

In a nutshell.

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