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is any thing more outdated than the bbc?

how many people are on so much money for so little?

an insult to our older people whos only bit of pleasure is the tv

basically a tax on an everyday item

I wouldn't miss it one bit, 

the option to have a tv without bbc channels should be available to everyone

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6 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

is any thing more outdated than the bbc?

how many people are on so much money for so little?

an insult to our older people whos only bit of pleasure is the tv

basically a tax on an everyday item

I wouldn't miss it one bit, 

the option to have a tv without bbc channels should be available to everyone

I always find it wrong that we as license payers still have to fork out for a BBC production DVD/Box Set as it is our money that pays for it so it should be free to use ?

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The BBC's brilliant and the best value thing on offer in this country.

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4 minutes ago, TheConductor said:

I always find it wrong that we as license payers still have to fork out for a BBC production DVD/Box Set as it is our money that pays for it so it should be free to use ?

They're free on the iPlayer.


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3 minutes ago, TheConductor said:

I always find it wrong that we as license payers still have to fork out for a BBC production DVD/Box Set as it is our money that pays for it so it should be free to use ?

the bbc should be an optional subscribtion service- see how long steve wright lasts then?

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1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

The BBC's brilliant and the best value thing on offer in this country.

naked noodles at poundstrecher beats that hands down, zoe ball? WHAT?


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Just now, graveyard johnny said:

naked noodles at poundstrecher beats that hands down, zoe ball? WHAT?

Zoe Ball is selling noodles naked at Poundstretcher?

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3 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

the bbc should be an optional subscribtion service- see how long steve wright lasts then?

Longer than now because of all the adverts.


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The British people are probably the most gullible people on the planet. Since 2015, the government has driven cuts to the BBC that will total over £550m by April 2021.  Something has to give here.  It was a government pledge to fund over 75s’ TV licenses, the government should pay for it rather than cut, cut, cut to the point that the BBC has few choices other than to stop it. 

The persistent spin by the paid-for media against the BBC has been swallowed hook, line and sinker by the gullible punters who refuse to look beyond a minister’s spin.

I wonder how much positive coverage the government has been promised by the paid-for media if it finally breaks the back of the BBC.

I think the BBC, for all its faults, is a national treasure that deserves protection from imbecilic government destruction and the subsequent seal-clapping of government fluffers.

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13 minutes ago, ckn said:

The British people are probably the most gullible people on the planet. Since 2015, the government has driven cuts to the BBC that will total over £550m by April 2021.  Something has to give here.  It was a government pledge to fund over 75s’ TV licenses, the government should pay for it rather than cut, cut, cut to the point that the BBC has few choices other than to stop it. 

The persistent spin by the paid-for media against the BBC has been swallowed hook, line and sinker by the gullible punters who refuse to look beyond a minister’s spin.

I wonder how much positive coverage the government has been promised by the paid-for media if it finally breaks the back of the BBC.

I think the BBC, for all its faults, is a national treasure that deserves protection from imbecilic government destruction and the subsequent seal-clapping of government fluffers. 

Why should it deserve protection? It's a bloated, cushty, sap on taxpayers. It should pay it's own way...............easiest thing would be to open it up to advertising. 

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Gordon Brown introduced free tv licences for the over 75s on the understanding the Government would pay for it.

This government decided some years ago that it wouldn't pay for it so re-arranged the BBC funding so they would take the blame for not being able to fund it.

The BBC due its funding provides a tv and radio service that caters for most if not all tastes and it's international News and current affairs is one of the best in the world.

As for opening it to advertising, thank goodness we have one provider who can have programmes and shows that aren't being interupted every few minutes.

If ever there was a bloated, cushty, sap on taxpayers then it's the Houses of Parliament. The House of Lords is a joke and an extremely expensive one. Both Houses award themselves subsidised restaurants, bars and lounges. Subsidised by the taxpayers of course.

This whole fuss over the BBC has been generated by dishonest politicians.    

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7 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

Why should it deserve protection? It's a bloated, cushty, sap on taxpayers. It should pay it's own way...............easiest thing would be to open it up to advertising. 

You didn't have to prove his point quite so quickly.

Why should everything have to "pay it's own way [sic]" incidentally? I've never understood that as a point of view.


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29 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

The BBC's brilliant and the best value thing on offer in this country.

This.

9 minutes ago, ckn said:

The British people are probably the most gullible people on the planet. Since 2015, the government has driven cuts to the BBC that will total over £550m by April 2021.  Something has to give here.  It was a government pledge to fund over 75s’ TV licenses, the government should pay for it rather than cut, cut, cut to the point that the BBC has few choices other than to stop it. 

The persistent spin by the paid-for media against the BBC has been swallowed hook, line and sinker by the gullible punters who refuse to look beyond a minister’s spin.

I wonder how much positive coverage the government has been promised by the paid-for media if it finally breaks the back of the BBC.

I think the BBC, for all its faults, is a national treasure that deserves protection from imbecilic government destruction and the subsequent seal-clapping of government fluffers.

And, Indeed this.

I will add; the BBC have also agreed to cover the cost of the TV licence out of it's own pocket for those over 75s in receipt of Pension Credit, so only the better off over 75s will actually have to pay.

Strange that so many on the right the political spectrum who bang on about the evils of socialism of are the ones raving about this as universal free licences for the over 75s were introduced by the last Labour government only coming into effect in 2000.

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3 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

Gordon Brown introduced free tv licences for the over 75s on the understanding the Government would pay for it.

This government decided some years ago that it wouldn't pay for it so re-arranged the BBC funding so they would take the blame for not being able to fund it.

The BBC due its funding provides a tv and radio service that caters for most if not all tastes and it's international News and current affairs is one of the best in the world.

As for opening it to advertising, thank goodness we have one provider who can have programmes and shows that aren't being interupted every few minutes.

If ever there was a bloated, cushty, sap on taxpayers then it's the Houses of Parliament. The House of Lords is a joke and an extremely expensive one. Both Houses award themselves subsidised restaurants, bars and lounges. Subsidised by the taxpayers of course.

This whole fuss over the BBC has been generated by dishonest politicians.    

50p a day I think it still is. For ten(?) TV channels, over 50 radio stations, the red button coverage of the early rounds of the Challenge Cup (and whatever else goes on there), BBC Online, the BBC music commissioning/productions, and a whole bunch of other things up to and including entirely non commercial output such as repeats with full disability access.

If you think you'd be happy in a TV world led by advertising concerns and profit just ask yourself how much rugby league you've seen on ITV recently.

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Just now, gingerjon said:

You didn't have to prove his point quite so quickly.

Why should everything have to "pay it's own way [sic]" incidentally? I've never understood that as a point of view.

Haha very good, nice trolling

Because other TV stations manage it perfectly well. Why should it be compulsory that I pay for a service I have little to no use for? If people are happy to pay for it, then fine, but it should not be compulsory. I should have the option of opting out, which i would

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2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

If you think you'd be happy in a TV world led by advertising concerns and profit just ask yourself how much rugby league you've seen on ITV recently.

If ever.


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2 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

Haha very good, nice trolling

Because other TV stations manage it perfectly well. Why should it be compulsory that I pay for a service I have little to no use for? If people are happy to pay for it, then fine, but it should not be compulsory. I should have the option of opting out, which i would

To repeat: how much rugby league have you seen on ITV recently?

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3 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

Haha very good, nice trolling

Because other TV stations manage it perfectly well. Why should it be compulsory that I pay for a service I have little to no use for? If people are happy to pay for it, then fine, but it should not be compulsory. I should have the option of opting out, which i would

I just want to check: you don't listen to any BBC radio, never read or watch anything on BBC News, have never listened to any music or performance commissioned or recorded by the BBC, don't catch so much as a glimpse of the Super League Show or anything else on the BBC's ten TV channels, never watch the iPlayer ...

How do you intend to watch the RLWC in 2021?


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58 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

the bbc should be an optional subscribtion service- see how long steve wright lasts then?

I also find it disgusting that on BBC4 tOP OF THE pops 2 they won't show King Kurts video/performance back in 1983 😉

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8 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I just want to check: you don't listen to any BBC radio, never read or watch anything on BBC News, have never listened to any music or performance commissioned or recorded by the BBC, don't catch so much as a glimpse of the Super League Show or anything else on the BBC's ten TV channels, never watch the iPlayer ...

How do you intend to watch the RLWC in 2021? 

In response to your first question, that is a no.

I would happily pay for that..............put it up for subscription and i'll sign up

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2 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

In response to your first question, that is a no.

I would happily pay for that..............put it up for subscription and i'll sign up

I'm genuinely impressed. I mean, you're missing out on all manner of everything, but it's impressive in its own way.


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1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

I'm genuinely impressed. I mean, you're missing out on all manner of everything, but it's impressive in its own way.

For what tv I do watch, which isn’t a huge amount, I have sky and Netflix, which i choose to pay for.

Without wanting to repeat myself, I object to being forced to pay for something I do not use when there are other suitable alternatives. The world has moved on and it’s time the bbc and government moved with the times 

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My experience of the broadcasting systems of other countries is limited to France, over many years)  USA, a little of Israel, and of South Africa in the mid 1970s when it had only just started up.

In all those cases the BBC TV and radio services are by far the best, despite the clear bias towards Remain and to left of centre politics and campaigns.

They are heavily over-manned, resent and reject any criticism, and there is no effective oversight or regulation. Anyone who bothers to watch Points of View and Newswatch will recognise the term "We are the BBC snd we ard never wrong". They overpay their "talent" and by that I mean Stayt, Linaker, Shearer, etc, not Maitless and Minchin. In addition, they engage in creative accounting or cheating the taxpayer  by hiding payment to talent through things like BBC Studios. 

Here is the BBCs take, in 2015, on the charter renewal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33414693

The BBC is to cover the cost of providing free television licences for over-75s, the government has confirmed.

Ministers said the move would be phased in from 2018-19. In return, rules on paying for catch-up services such as iPlayer might be introduced and the licence fee will rise with inflation.

Funding free licence fees for over-75s cost the government £608m in 2013-14 - about a fifth of the BBC's budget.

The BBC said it was the "right deal... in difficult economic circumstances".

BBC director general Tony Hall said: "Far from being a cut, the way this financial settlement is shaped gives us, effectively, flat licence fee income across the first five years of the next charter."

With the announcement on free licences for the over 75s they have broken the agreement and thus the charter should be revoked.

The schedules are packed with repeats, and the strategy with BBC Sounds and iPlayer is in my view to move to a an additional subscription service in the future.

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22 minutes ago, TheConductor said:

I also find it disgusting that on BBC4 tOP OF THE pops 2 they won't show King Kurts video/performance back in 1983 😉

we love king kurt

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4 minutes ago, JohnM said:

thus the charter should be revoked.

That escalated quickly but entirely predictably.


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