DoubleD Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 It is sad to see Martin Gleeson follow Sean Long and Paul Deacon over to the dark side. There aren’t enough good, young halves and back coaches in our game in the northern hemisphere. You can see the job Gleeson has done with Salford and Ian Watson, and similarly Long with Holbrook. These coaches aren’t going over to the dark side for a promotion of sorts, so they’re either going for more money or to continue to learn their trade. What opportunities can we look to provide so we keep this talent in our game? Can we put pathways in place to ensure we retain them? Is it purely down to money and should we be looking to pay our best coaches more? Clubs seem happy spending money on players, but should we be investing more in coaching staff? There’s certainly an argument for some clubs (Leeds being one) Can we look at providing them with international opportunities through the RLIF at emerging nations? Should we be looking at some links with NRL to get these coaches more exposure and experience that way? Better they stayed in our game then go to kick and clap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 I think there's just not enough opportunities currently in Northern Hemisphere RL - on top of the money. In terms of Full Time head coach positions there can't be many in the championship surely? Most clubs even in SL then only have one assistant coach. In the Dark Side they have far more coaches and far more pro teams. Attack and Defence seem to be where most former RL players end up. But they have more on top of that including the standard head coach (and often assistant). Realistically there's not enough money invested by clubs in coaching, despite many going for the Director of Rugby route. Interestingly one of the best attacking sides if not the best funded in recent times has been Castleford who have had both Danny Orr and Ryan Sheridan as assistants to Powell. By comparison Leeds haven't seemed to like the idea of lots of assistants up tp now. Barry Eaton and Jimmy Lowes floated in and out. I don't know what the situation is in the NRL but I'd imagine they'd have a few more coaching positions per team as we have seen with the England/GB set ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Stop bringing so many Aussie Coaches over. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Introduce half a dozen NA teams into SL owned by Australian mining billionaires ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essai Machine Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Gooleboy said: Stop bringing so many Aussie Coaches over. Simples. Agree totally . You could say that, with Holbrook and Price in charge at the top two clubs , Aussie coaches are better . But then what about Furner and Sheens ? Holbrook inherited a great squad and got lucky with the Barba signing , and Price failed to win in 2 finals last season . Compare their efforts with Danny Ward at London and Ian Watson , both on Poundland budgets , and you question the wisdom of bringing Aussie coaches up here . DoubleD's earlier post asks how we can keep British RL coaches(Long/Gleeson) in the game - don't hire over-rated Crims ! We're starting to see that as far as coaches and players are concerned Aussie isn't always best ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted July 6, 2019 Author Share Posted July 6, 2019 32 minutes ago, Essai Machine said: Agree totally . You could say that, with Holbrook and Price in charge at the top two clubs , Aussie coaches are better . But then what about Furner and Sheens ? Holbrook inherited a great squad and got lucky with the Barba signing , and Price failed to win in 2 finals last season . Compare their efforts with Danny Ward at London and Ian Watson , both on Poundland budgets , and you question the wisdom of bringing Aussie coaches up here . DoubleD's earlier post asks how we can keep British RL coaches(Long/Gleeson) in the game - don't hire over-rated Crims ! We're starting to see that as far as coaches and players are concerned Aussie isn't always best ! But the likes of Long, Gleeson and Deacon are not going over to the dark side for head coaching roles. They may not have the capability or willingness to be head coaches so people are missing the point again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Prophet Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Essai Machine said: DoubleD's earlier post asks how we can keep British RL coaches(Long/Gleeson) in the game - don't hire over-rated Crims ! We're starting to see that as far as coaches and players are concerned Aussie isn't always best ! Sticking it to the “crims”. Good fighting talk. cant disagree on investing in British though. In saying all that, coaches are but one of a long list of under financed positions/departments of NH RL clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Well the simple answer is more money. Assistant coaches in Rugby League don't get paid much in comparison to what they can earn in Union and it is those that are often targeted. Also it's a much easier gig in Union with a much reduced workload. Many Assistant coaches don't necessarily want to be head coaches so it's not always a case of a lack of opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Essai Machine said: Agree totally . You could say that, with Holbrook and Price in charge at the top two clubs , Aussie coaches are better . But then what about Furner and Sheens ? Holbrook inherited a great squad and got lucky with the Barba signing , and Price failed to win in 2 finals last season . Compare their efforts with Danny Ward at London and Ian Watson , both on Poundland budgets , and you question the wisdom of bringing Aussie coaches up here . DoubleD's earlier post asks how we can keep British RL coaches(Long/Gleeson) in the game - don't hire over-rated Crims ! We're starting to see that as far as coaches and players are concerned Aussie isn't always best ! David Furner does not have much of a resume as a Coach, what did you expect from him with the players Leeds have in their squad? Tim Sheens is 68 years old, his prime years as a Coach at Club level was more than a few years ago, he had around 50% win/ loss record in the NRL What he did with Kangaroos many Coaches have done with the team and staff the Kangaroos have available. Holbrook and Price? the first one is barely known in Australia and the second one was a failure in the NRL and was sacked (win rate 36%) Always good to see the Pommie chip on the shoulder is still going hard after 200 + years. Surely Clubs look for the best candidate for the job? if they don't then that is the problem. Why not make Shaun Edwards an offer and keep it English? Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essai Machine Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 52 minutes ago, Allora said: David Furner does not have much of a resume as a Coach, what did you expect from him with the players Leeds have in their squad? Tim Sheens is 68 years old, his prime years as a Coach at Club level was more than a few years ago, he had around 50% win/ loss record in the NRL What he did with Kangaroos many Coaches have done with the team and staff the Kangaroos have available. Holbrook and Price? the first one is barely known in Australia and the second one was a failure in the NRL and was sacked (win rate 36%) Precisely , only rated over here because of their accents . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essai Machine Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 54 minutes ago, Allora said: Always good to see the Pommie chip on the shoulder is still going hard after 200 + yea Also ,why do you refer to us as ,I believe to be the case, 'Prisoners Of His majesty' ? We haven't been transported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Prisoner of mother England , pome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denton Rovers RLFC Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 I wish some rugby union team would take our coach off our hands, I'd pay his bus fare to take him, actually maybe there's a 4 hours ago, Gooleboy said: Stop bringing so many Aussie Coaches over. Simples. they're the ones who are showing the local 'talent' actually how to coach and drag themselves out of the 1970s mould. Shaun McRea, got us through the merger and all the pap that was going on and we played incredible rugby at times with a ton of kids in the team and some seasoned but not OTH imports. Peter Sharp got Hull to a GF with a bunch of local kids in the XVII and feck all money from the Hetherington's and playing sublime rugby, got binned off far too quickly when we had a shed load of injuries. Peter Gentle took over from the disaster that was Richard Agar and we went from being a near relegation side to in the playoffs the following season and in his second season with a CC final, again with a team half full of 1st season novices and a massive injury list, he too was backstabbed and if it hadn't been for that backstabber trying to be the big I am punching TMFMISL whilst he was on the floor we'd have probably got further in the league too. We then see a period of rugby that almost drags us back into the championship but for the fact Bradford were deducted points and London an absolute shambles, we then go over the cap (but use backloaded contracts to avoid any penalty), some luck with injuries and actually coached by one of the players to win the cup. There is no finesse about our coach, he might get the odd bit of silverware for a 4 game comp but when it comes down to the big one he's simply not good enough nor understanding enough to get us even close to a GF despite having had the benefit of a hugely invested in and matured youth set up plus big investment in senior players outside the club, something previous coaches haven't had since long before McRea. IMO there are two British coaches that have anything about them and that's Danny Ward and Powell, I don't know anything about Gleeson tbh but he's in the lower ranks of coaching (assistant attack coach) it's purely about technical and not leadership, good luck to him but is that really someone the sport is going to miss, a technical coach, is that really the 'best' of our coaches? IMO it's not. Surely getting a gig in Australia in the biggest/best rugby comp in the world (f either code) would be far more preferable on your CV than being asst attack coach at a mid table club who haven't won anything in 12 years and have been running on a shoestring staffing wise for some time (according to Young). With all due respect to MG, SL, Deacon and formerly Shaun E, they are not a loss to the sport IMHO, as I say, good luck to them, I hope they all succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essai Machine Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 If I remember correctly it was Eric Hughes who built the Saints squad up , recruiting the likes of Tommy Martyn and Chris Joynt , and was bumped aside for McRae - who got all the credit . Great squads will do well under any coach - remember Leeds winning 2 GFs with Bluey McLennan who (with all due respect) isn't seen as a 'supercoach' . And since McDermott won 4 GFs for Leeds might that suggest that British are better than Aussies ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Prophet Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Essai Machine said: Also ,why do you refer to us as ,I believe to be the case, 'Prisoners Of His majesty' ? We haven't been transported The way I see it, we aren’t the ones still stuck in England. In saying that, I think the nickname is widely accepted to have come after English travellers and immigrants would get easily burned by the sun, resembling a pomegranate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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