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Another cryptic thread title, and the content is a duplication of an existing one.

Top Tip: call your thread "Toronto". Nobody ever does that.

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6 minutes ago, deluded pom? said:

And you’ll get plenty of clicks.

Personally I'm far more likely to click 'Females' than 'Toronto'.

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Get it down before Wollo Wollo Wayoo blows his top.

I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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2 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

Not really a cryptic thread title, it’s sbout females in rugby league and the title is females in a rugby league forum. 

To be fair, there are female players, coaches, officials and supporters in our game.

It would be like starting a thread titled 'males' which would also be a bit cryptic!

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3 minutes ago, deluded pom? said:

But would you be more inclined to click on a thread called ‘Males’ or ‘Toronto’?

I'm going Toronto on that one.

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"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

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2 minutes ago, deluded pom? said:

“Never confused”

Maybe just a little curious...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... I've never been to Toronto!

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

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Of course she is there on merit.  She is a female referee in a sport that is almost entirely dominated by men and so every step of the way she will have had to prove that she is as good as the male alternatives and will no doubt have had every aspect of her performance scrutinised to find the faults and weaknesses by those determined to prove that a woman could not manage a game as well as a man.

To suggest that she is there as some kind of token fundamentally misses the extent of her achievement and shows a complete lack of empathy of what is takes to succeed in any walk of life when you are in some way different to the accepted 'norm' for that profession.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

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Years ago a female official was appointed by the RL to ref a reserve game with myself as one of the touch judges. The home coach, who I won’t name but was and is regarded as one of the game’s greats, stated his team would not play if “a bird” was refereeing, my self and the other officials told her to call his bluff see what happened, but in the end she deferred, wrongly imo to his wishes and I reffed while she carried out 4th official duties.

it was scandalous and shameful and I lost the respect I’d had for the man as a player. 

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1 hour ago, Phil said:

Years ago a female official was appointed by the RL to ref a reserve game with myself as one of the touch judges. The home coach, who won’t name but was and is regarded as one of the game’s greats, stated his team would not play if “a bird” was refereeing, my self and the other officials told her to call his bluff see what happened, but in the end she deferred, wrongly imo to his wishes and I reffed while she carried out 4th official duties.

it was scandalous and shameful and I lost the respect I’d had for the man as a player. 

Absolutely terrible and an example of the kind of barriers that female referees will have had to overcome as they look to develop themselves in the sport.

So let's all do the female referees a favour and stop implying that when they overcome these challenges and rise to the top of their profession it is only because of some kind of tokenism.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

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Maybe do some research before you post. There is not just a lack of depth in the NRL Match Officials, but most weekends the "Men" have been missing things and making mistakes. Belinda has been part of the NRL Match Officials for around 5 years. She has been Reffing Queensland Cup -the level below the NRL- as well as being a Touch Judge in the NRL. She deserves a chance to show if she is up to reffing at NRL level, both on merit and due to many of the male colleagues putting in poor performances. Will she be perfect and make no mistakes? No, but then neither have or do the men.

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