my missus Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Day Date Comp Match Views Thursday 31st Jan SL St Helens v Wigan 181,079 Sunday 26th May MW St Helens v Castleford 156,137 Saturday 25th May MW Wigan v Warrington 152,308 Thursday 28th Feb SL Salford v St Helens 149,350 Saturday 27th Apr SL Wigan v Castleford 141,351 Friday 15th Mar SL Warrington v Wigan 140,156 Friday 22nd Mar SL Castleford v St Helens 139,816 Thursday 7th Feb SL Hull v Castleford 128,003 Friday 22nd Feb SL St Helens v Leeds 126,181 Friday 14th June SL Leeds v Wigan 126,012 Friday 31st May CC Hull KR v Warrington 123,428 Friday 8th Feb SL Wigan v Leeds 119,371 Thursday 21st Mar SL Wakefield v Warrington 116,139 Saturday 23rd Mar SL Catalans v Leeds 115,190 Thursday 7th Mar SL Warrington v Castleford 112,124 Sunday 12th May CC Huddersfield v St Helens 109,700 Thursday 28th Mar SL Leeds v Castleford 105,000 Thursday 13th June SL Castleford v Hull 102,598 Friday 19th Apr SL Hull v Hull KR 102,313 Saturday 9th Feb SL Catalans v Huddersfield 98,512 Sunday 26th May MW Leeds v London 97,660 Friday 19th Apr SL Wigan v St Helens 97,500 Saturday 25th May MW Hull v Huddersfield 96,280 Friday 1st Mar SL Leeds v Wakefield 93,866 Friday 21st June SL St Helens v Leeds 93,276 Thursday 4th Apr SL Hull KR v Leeds 93,270 Thursday 14th Mar SL Huddersfield v St Helens 92,961 Thursday 30th May CC Hull v Catalans 92,957 Friday 17th May SL St Helens v Salford 90,558 Friday 1st Feb SL Hull KR v Hull FC 90,300 Thursday 18th Apr SL Castleford v Wakefield 87,795 Friday 10th May CC Hull v Castleford 87,435 Sunday 19th May CH Leigh v Widnes 86,858 Friday 5th Apr SL Castleford v Wigan 85,380 Saturday 2nd Mar SL Catalans v Warrington 81,200 Friday 8th Mar SL Wigan v Huddersfield 81,014 Friday 3rd May SL Castleford v Warrington 80,600 Thursday 20th June SL London v Hull KR 79,121 Friday 29th Mar SL Hull v Warrington 76,800 Sunday 26th May MW Salford v Hull KR 76,500 Through the fish-eyed lens of tear stained eyes I can barely define the shape of this moment in time(roger waters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my missus Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 so why would they not put saints v wigan on when it is obviously the most watched game. Through the fish-eyed lens of tear stained eyes I can barely define the shape of this moment in time(roger waters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Is this the nonsense list from LRL which doesn't include games that aren't in the top 15 - so if a game was on Main Event but didnt make the top list it wouldn't show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dave T said: Is this the nonsense list from LRL which doesn't include games that aren't in the top 15 - so if a game was on Main Event but didnt make the top list it wouldn't show? So it doesn't add the channels together? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 A quick glance shows they have missed of Catalans v Wigan in Barcelona. 118k ish across 2 channels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Just now, gingerjon said: So it doesn't add the channels together? If they spot it and if it features in the list they do. I have just highlighted some that it looks like they have missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my missus Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/revealed-the-top-40-most-watched-matches-on-sky-sports-in-2019/?utm_source=vuukle&utm_medium=talk_of_town Through the fish-eyed lens of tear stained eyes I can barely define the shape of this moment in time(roger waters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Is this good or bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 51 minutes ago, my missus said: so why would they not put saints v wigan on when it is obviously the most watched game. This has been done to death, several times. Lock it mods, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Baldrick Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Man of Kent said: Is this good or bad? They are statistics so they are whatever you want them to be. If you are up Elstone's bum hole they are good, if you aren't they are bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Private Baldrick said: They are statistics so they are whatever you want them to be. If you are up Elstone's bum hole they are good, if you aren't they are bad. They sound pretty good. 100k average is a lot of Sky subscriber shilling at circa £500/year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 How do they work that out to the exact number ? These boffin types are damn good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 34 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: They sound pretty good. 100k average is a lot of Sky subscriber shilling at circa £500/year Some interesting tweets on rugbyleagueontv.com about this, where the show is longer (45mins buildup) than previous years which drags down the average as you tend to get peaks during the actual match. Things like this, plus Friday night Prem League etc. Make like for like comparisons difficult. But when you look at the ratings for Action and Arena, RL make up the bulk of those charts and viewing figures generally speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentoffagain2 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Would think SKY subscribers have dropped in the last 12 months,loads of people ditching it because they have stopped doing deals.Quite easy up to then to get up to 60% off subscription costs with minimal effort.A couple of years ago i got all the lot Sports ,Movies Entertainment,and Disney channel{i still like Tom and Jerry and i saw my first game of Rugby League in 1955].for £30 per month.When my deal ran out the same package was £65 monthly take it or leave it.Best i could get was Sports and Entertainment for £40 and i had to plead poverty to get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage XIII Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Dave T said: Some interesting tweets on rugbyleagueontv.com about this, where the show is longer (45mins buildup) than previous years which drags down the average as you tend to get peaks during the actual match. Things like this, plus Friday night Prem League etc. Make like for like comparisons difficult. But when you look at the ratings for Action and Arena, RL make up the bulk of those charts and viewing figures generally speaking. yeah I watch SL on new streaming service Kayo & it comes up as over 3 hours for the broadcast & I have to skip through to the match, quite annoying as I don't have time for the buildup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Funkhouser Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Man of Kent said: Is this good or bad? To an honest person they are abysmal...on average not even 1/4 of 1% of the population watching the Elite Level of the sport either live or on TV or only around 1% of Sky UK subscribers if you prefer it that way. There has not been as small an amount of people watching Rugby League since before the 2nd world war. Whilst the Sky Sports Arena shunting has clearly not been a success the trend is consistent and Sky will have everything in their favour going into the next "negotiation". I think SL would snap their hands off for a repeat deal. The BBC's Super League Show at least provides a modicum of oxygen alas with not the same guaranteed readies for the clubs. A very challenging time ahead in all sorts of areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Marty Funkhouser said: To an honest person they are abysmal...on average not even 1/4 of 1% of the population watching the Elite Level of the sport either live or on TV or only around 1% of Sky UK subscribers if you prefer it that way. There has not been as small an amount of people watching Rugby League since before the 2nd world war. Whilst the Sky Sports Arena shunting has clearly not been a success the trend is consistent and Sky will have everything in their favour going into the next "negotiation". I think SL would snap their hands off for a repeat deal. The BBC's Super League Show at least provides a modicum of oxygen alas with not the same guaranteed readies for the clubs. A very challenging time ahead in all sorts of areas. The lack of national exposure due to suckling at the Murdoch teat is for another thread but rugby league ranks highly on Sky Sports and seems to offer them VFM. They’ve been paying to broadcast elite rugby league for three decades...is there any particular reason why they’d stop now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Funkhouser Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Man of Kent said: The lack of national exposure due to suckling at the Murdoch teat is for another thread but rugby league ranks highly on Sky Sports and seems to offer them VFM. They’ve been paying to broadcast elite rugby league for three decades...is there any particular reason why they’d stop now? I have no doubt they will be happy to continue at the right money, but club owners of the curent times desire (and rely on) the Sky coin much more than Sky desires (or relies on) SL. As previously stated we are talking about a very minor percentage of their (declining) subscriber base shown mainly on a fringe sports channel. Any continuation will be firmly on Sky's terms and I'm happy to wager the new contract offer will reflect a "real" drop in terms. SL will accept pretty much anything in the region of the last contract and be more than happy. This will have on-going effects and the game here has some challenging times ahead to maintain its status. The continuing reduced visibility is very much part of that. I am quite sure Sky would be more than happy for a shift in any RL viewing habits to the NRL in the long term. It's a very ropey model of full time pro sport SL has that cannot continue beyond the mid term. I assume Mr Elstone is on the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 It really isnt a ropey business model for pro sports. It is pretty much THE business model. Sports are pretty much made for TV, not sure why making money from it is seen as an issue. We stay in the mainstream via Challenge Cup and Internationals on BBC plus national highlights on the BBC and get decent cash for the week to week stuff. Signing a long term tv deal allows for guaranteed income for budgets, a far less volatile stream than ticket sales, merchandise and sponsorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, Marty Funkhouser said: I have no doubt they will be happy to continue at the right money, but club owners of the curent times desire (and rely on) the Sky coin much more than Sky desires (or relies on) SL. As previously stated we are talking about a very minor percentage of their (declining) subscriber base shown mainly on a fringe sports channel. Any continuation will be firmly on Sky's terms and I'm happy to wager the new contract offer will reflect a "real" drop in terms. SL will accept pretty much anything in the region of the last contract and be more than happy. This will have on-going effects and the game here has some challenging times ahead to maintain its status. The continuing reduced visibility is very much part of that. I am quite sure Sky would be more than happy for a shift in any RL viewing habits to the NRL in the long term. It's a very ropey model of full time pro sport SL has that cannot continue beyond the mid term. I assume Mr Elstone is on the case. I can bet you now that the new tv deal will be greater value than the current one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Baldrick Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, DoubleD said: I can bet you now that the new tv deal will be greater value than the current one Nurse! Nurse! Need your help over here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, DoubleD said: I can bet you now that the new tv deal will be greater value than the current one I suspect the SL clubs will get more investment from Sky the next time, whether the total RL investment will be the same, we will see. Things like Sky Try etc. were ringfenced so may not be part of any future deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 A couple more missed off. Hull Derby on 27th June - 113k Wire v Saints on 28th June - 103k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 14 hours ago, my missus said: so why would they not put saints v wigan on when it is obviously the most watched game. On Good Friday their game got 97.5k. Lower than Catalans v Huddersfield. TBF, a lot of the time there are major impacts dependent on scheduling and other sports etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Funkhouser Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 59 minutes ago, Dave T said: It really isnt a ropey business model for pro sports. It is pretty much THE business model. Sports are pretty much made for TV, not sure why making money from it is seen as an issue. We stay in the mainstream via Challenge Cup and Internationals on BBC plus national highlights on the BBC and get decent cash for the week to week stuff. Signing a long term tv deal allows for guaranteed income for budgets, a far less volatile stream than ticket sales, merchandise and sponsorship. "Long term" - What 25/30 years or more..???? And "making money" - certainly not British RL...the Sky contract allows us to just exist in our current form , that is all. And we are still suffering vastly reduced participation, reasonably reduced viewing figures, moderately reduced crowds...the trend is clear and might not be able to be reversed. Times are changing with regards peoples interests and viewing habits, Sky itself will not exist in its current form in the "long term"...it is almost certainly on the other side of the curve already. It is very ropey to base full time professionalism and the associated industry on short term TV contracts with one broadcaster who doesn't really need you , is always looking for alternative opportunities and whose own future model is very uncertain. We are one renewal away from massive change. I really don't think there is a long line of admirers wanting to throw £200 million or more our way. The current scenario will not last in the "long term". It will be adapt or contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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