The Future is League Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 State of Origin 2019: Queensland set sights on having Luke Keary declared a Maroon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost crayfish Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Luke Keary was born in qld and grew up there until the age of 10. He continued supporting them as a teenager and has himself previously tried to be declared a Queenslander. How could this possibly devalue origin? If it was test football it wouldn't even be in question - it'd be his choice, end of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 My eldest daughter was born in Yorkshire and lived there until she was only 3. Try telling her she is not a Yorkshire lass - she would throw a hissy fit! Any eligibility criteria like Origin will fail when mapped against modern society. We move all over the place and identify with what is important to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, ghost crayfish said: Luke Keary was born in qld and grew up there until the age of 10. He continued supporting them as a teenager and has himself previously tried to be declared a Queenslander. How could this possibly devalue origin? If it was test football it wouldn't even be in question - it'd be his choice, end of story. Is it his choice? I am asking as I am not sure... the article states the criteria, quoted below. If he fulfills more of the NSW criteria (4 out of the 6) but wants to play for Queensland will he be allowed to play for the Maroons? "Under the eligibility rules, Keary appears to fulfil four of the six criteria making him a Blue. NSW is the state where the majority of his year's playing rugby league from Under-6s to Under-18s were spent; it is also the state where the majority of his schooling occurred; where he was first selected in a state-run junior representative competition at Under-15 level, or above (North Sydney Bears Harold Matthews team) and where he represented in a state-based schools competition, being a member of the NSW Independent Schools team which played in the Australian Championships in Burleigh in 2010." "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Eligibility always seems quite convoluted and complicated looking in from the outside . Any simplification , maybe like where you were born may help . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Born in Queensland but not eligible for Queensland seems bizarre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, ghost crayfish said: Luke Keary was born in qld and grew up there until the age of 10. He continued supporting them as a teenager and has himself previously tried to be declared a Queenslander. How could this possibly devalue origin? If it was test football it wouldn't even be in question - it'd be his choice, end of story. 1 hour ago, Dunbar said: Is it his choice? I am asking as I am not sure... the article states the criteria, quoted below. If he fulfills more of the NSW criteria (4 out of the 6) but wants to play for Queensland will he be allowed to play for the Maroons? "Under the eligibility rules, Keary appears to fulfil four of the six criteria making him a Blue. NSW is the state where the majority of his year's playing rugby league from Under-6s to Under-18s were spent; it is also the state where the majority of his schooling occurred; where he was first selected in a state-run junior representative competition at Under-15 level, or above (North Sydney Bears Harold Matthews team) and where he represented in a state-based schools competition, being a member of the NSW Independent Schools team which played in the Australian Championships in Burleigh in 2010." That was one Hell of a commute to training and games if he still lived in Queensland until he was 10. The very epitome of Dad cabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, deluded pom? said: That was one Hell of a commute to training and games if he still lived in Queensland until he was 10. The very epitome of Dad cabs. Majority of his years not all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rioman Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Born in Queensland but not eligible for Queensland seems bizarre Similarly, Peter Sterling, Born in Queensland eligible for NSW. If qualification was based purely on where you were born would SOO results have been any different. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 SOO is brilliant rugby league, but the fact that is is such a comparatively big deal in Australia (and here too) shows the NRL (and us) up as extremely parochial. https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, bobbruce said: Majority of his years not all of them. ghost crayfish posted that Keary's first ten years were spent in Queensland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wollo Wollo Wayoo Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I thought this might be some story about "Women's" SOO? This world was never meant for one as beautiful as me. Wakefield Trinity RLFC 2012 - 2014 "The wasted years" 2013, 2014 & 2015 Official Magic Weekend "Whipping Boys" 2017 - The year the dream disappeared under Grix's left foot. 2018 - The FinniChezz Bromance 2019 - The Return of the Prodigal Son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, deluded pom? said: ghost crayfish posted that Keary's first ten years were spent in Queensland. I didn’t think I’d have to quote the rest because you did. NSW is the state were he spent the majority of his years playing rugby league from u6s to u 18s If he started at six he’d have played four years in Queensland and seven or eight in NSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 The SOO rules are as they are for various reasons. There will always be strange quirks and strange edge cases with any set of rules but its better to have strict rules in my opinion than allowing the vagaries of judgement calls and bias. If you change the rules to allow Keary then you potentially risk not allowing another to represent the state that they consider home and where they have played Rugby League in from the age of 6 or have lived in from the age of 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost crayfish Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 5 hours ago, deluded pom? said: ghost crayfish posted that Keary's first ten years were spent in Queensland. Maybe have another read of that full sentence you've highlighted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Seriously who gives a sh** ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost crayfish Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Dunbar said: Is it his choice? I am asking as I am not sure... the article states the criteria, quoted below. If he fulfills more of the NSW criteria (4 out of the 6) but wants to play for Queensland will he be allowed to play for the Maroons? "Under the eligibility rules, Keary appears to fulfil four of the six criteria making him a Blue. NSW is the state where the majority of his year's playing rugby league from Under-6s to Under-18s were spent; it is also the state where the majority of his schooling occurred; where he was first selected in a state-run junior representative competition at Under-15 level, or above (North Sydney Bears Harold Matthews team) and where he represented in a state-based schools competition, being a member of the NSW Independent Schools team which played in the Australian Championships in Burleigh in 2010." I think the answer is no. It's based on criteria, not choice. I think the reason for all the heavy criteria was partially to stop Inglis type situations, and partly to stop states grabbing Australian based overseas players. I'd have thought a player like Keary should be entitled to argue their case though, but rules is rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, ghost crayfish said: Maybe have another read of that full sentence you've highlighted... You’ll have to enlighten me. You said Keary spent the first ten years of his life in Queensland, the article Dunbar quoted says otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost crayfish Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, deluded pom? said: You’ll have to enlighten me. You said Keary spent the first ten years of his life in Queensland, the article Dunbar quoted says otherwise. Mate bobbruce explained it above too. The article does not say otherwise. The article says he played the MAJORITY of his junior footy in NSW. Implying he played some of it in qld. Let me break it down further: under 6s to under 18s is 12 years. If he lived in qld until 10, which he did, he could've played a max of 4 years there. He would've then played a max of 8 in NSW... Meaning NSW is where he played the MAJORITY of his junior footy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, ghost crayfish said: Mate bobbruce explained it above too. The article does not say otherwise. The article says he played the MAJORITY of his junior footy in NSW. Implying he played some of it in qld. Let me break it down further: under 6s to under 18s is 12 years. If he lived in qld until 10, which he did, he could've played a max of 4 years there. He would've then played a max of 8 in NSW... Meaning NSW is where he played the MAJORITY of his junior footy. The penny has dropped. Just make it clearer next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulga Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 9 hours ago, deluded pom? said: That was one Hell of a commute to training and games if he still lived in Queensland until he was 10. The very epitome of Dad cabs. I play with 2 guys living in NSW and our club is in Qld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Yet another example of talking about SOO being incredibly boring and overly dominant if it wasn't good to watch it'd have nothing going for it. 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 8 hours ago, Pulga said: I play with 2 guys living in NSW and our club is in Qld. That’s not difficult if the border is only a few miles from where they live and where they play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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