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CanadianRugger

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12 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

And that I believe it's what they call the Catalans? Or is it Blood & Gold?

 

EDIT: It's Sang et Or. It's pretty much the same thing ?

Red and bloody yellow!

Blood and Gold, you had it right the first time.

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I grew up in a French town and speak it fairly fluently.  I was one of a handful of Tête Carrée, or square heads as the French like to call Englishmen here, in the town.  We all get along splendidly now, I swear ?

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TIWIT

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9 hours ago, The Parksider said:

I've left your whole post intact because it's a complete nonsense. Building a club up to a high professional level is just that, no matter what the league system is. The League system does not find a club a decent ground...... the league system does not organise an "A" team .......the league system does not secure a TV deal........the league system does not build a junior game.........the league system does not get corporate backers on board.

The league system has absolutely nothing to do with building up a club.............

As for the timescales again what on earth are you trying to say? Doesn't it occur to you that a semi pro french club like TO needs some time to plan and "grow" to be a fully fledged professional Rugby League Club worthy of Superleague.

TWP in three years do not have a decent ground......they do not have a reserve team........they do not have a TV deal......there is no player development........they only have one backer.........In fact they themselves talk about needing 10-15 years to bring the player development thing about so they are struggling to grow although you won't see how wrong you are, others with an open mind will easily get this.

In 2012 the SL bosses planned to give it 3 years before letting TO in so they would be better prepared, as it was they actually came in after 4 years, and having got to the top of the Championship after three more years the Superleague bosses are now ready to let them in Superleague as they have built a club ready for Superleague.

Again how you manage to argue about the league system changing between 2012 and now has any relevance to TO being given the green light to working towards Superleage by McManus and Lenegan, and them doing just that I don't know? You tell me you are a teacher?? Really??  With respect to you drop the vendetta you have against me as it makes you look silly.

What on earth did you mean about "The Landscape changing"? In 2012 we have three leagues and P & R and today in 2019 we still have three leagues and P & R, Absolutely nothing has changed relevant to Toulouses's inclusion?.

In 2006 if SL wanted to add Catalans they had the power to do so and did it. They still have that power to now include Toulouse and not only that they indicate strongly now in 2019 they will do it - on what earthly basis do you think anyone can stop them doing this???

In your last line you say     "An article from 7 years ago is your evidence that it's happening today?"

No No No....... My evidence is both Legenan and McManus who backed TO in 2012, who said they would put them in the Leagues here in 2015 and actually did that 2016 and who looked to TO building towards inclusion in Superleague have BOTH OPENLY STATED IN ARTICLES IN RECENT WEEKS THEY ARE NOW READY TO DO THIS. What the article said they would do in 2012 they have gone on to actually announce they will now do?

The 2012 article was just the start of a long term plan featuring a series of articles on their progress down the years  to give TO the green light to build in the French comp, come over to the English comp, build through the Championships and then one they have French players (they have) and "A" Team (they have) a decent ground lined up (they have) and a collection of backers (they have) then they would be placed into Superleague - something both Legegan and McManus openly and publicly say they are likely to do for next year???.

I am not your librarian, I am not your researcher....You need to sit down and look up the story of Toulouse's march, from the evening of that dinner in 2012, to the top of the French game, to their inclusion here, to their rise to the top echelons of the Championship, and now to them being openly touted to be included alongside Les Catalans in Superleague by the same people who approved that journey in 2012 at the Dinner in Toulouse..........

 

I have also left your post intact because, to quote you, it's complete nonsense.

Super League owners have been working for years to build up Toulouse for eventual entry into their competition? Well, if they have, they've certainly managed to keep it a secret. Of course, given how unsuccessful it's been, maybe that's a good thing.

You seem to think this is a fine idea to give a new club time to build itself up. Which is quite true. So why aren't you willing to cut TWP the same slack? Perhaps even more time, since they are starting out in a place with no history of rugby league and no infrastructure.

The promotion of TWP into Super League will mean the replacement of an English club, which has always seemed to be your greatest fear, as you fear it will be the wedge that leads to the decline of the game in England. Well, Toulouse is just as foreign. Just much more likely to be demoted again at the end of their first season than TWP would be.

I'm afraid your latest post exposes your, well, I shan't say the word, but it begins with an hy and ends with a sy. I'm sure a smart man like you can figure it out.

 

 

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7 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

I wonder what colours they'll play in ?

 

7 hours ago, CanadianRugger said:

Ottawa is also headed up by a similar business consortium that is backed by Ottawa Sports & Entertainment Group (OSEG).

They own:

Ottawa Redblacks (CFL)

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Ottawa 67s Hockey Club:

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And Ottawa Fury FC:

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The consortium owns all three clubs and now supposedly owns the Hemel Stags license.  They also control a 25,000 seat stadium, 10,000 seat arena, dozens of restaurants, shopping complex, beer gardens, condominiums, etc.

love the pictures , can see a few empty seats , spoils it a little .

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1 hour ago, henage said:

 

love the pictures , can see a few empty seats , spoils it a little .

I'm amazed to see that many there

 

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9 hours ago, CanadianRugger said:

Ottawa is also headed up by a similar business consortium that is backed by Ottawa Sports & Entertainment Group (OSEG).

They own:

Ottawa Redblacks (CFL)

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Ottawa 67s Hockey Club:

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And Ottawa Fury FC:

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The consortium owns all three clubs and now supposedly owns the Hemel Stags license.  They also control a 25,000 seat stadium, 10,000 seat arena, dozens of restaurants, shopping complex, beer gardens, condominiums, etc.

I don't think this is actually true. As far as I'm aware, all the press releases said "working with" OSEG, not that they were owners. And also mentioned a consortium of ~15 owners, without mentioning Jeff Hunt or the other OSEG partners.

My own take is that is that the have a field and/or other facilities rental agreement, as well as probably a marketing agreement to access OSEG's fanbases. Which would make sense from OSEG's perspective, they would fill dates on the stadium they manage and benefit from larger attendances at those dates by way of controlling concession revenue. They're also probably hedging their bets in the case of the Fury being forced out of USL and not wanting to join the CPL.

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10 hours ago, TheReaper said:

I don't think this is actually true. As far as I'm aware, all the press releases said "working with" OSEG, not that they were owners. And also mentioned a consortium of ~15 owners, without mentioning Jeff Hunt or the other OSEG partners.

My own take is that is that the have a field and/or other facilities rental agreement, as well as probably a marketing agreement to access OSEG's fanbases. Which would make sense from OSEG's perspective, they would fill dates on the stadium they manage and benefit from larger attendances at those dates by way of controlling concession revenue. They're also probably hedging their bets in the case of the Fury being forced out of USL and not wanting to join the CPL.

If the Fury are forced out it will have ripple effects around the country that not one person wants.

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Perhaps the most surprising point about the League Express article posted on the News section this morning is that 2020 remains a possibile date for entry. I thought the practical deadline had passed long ago. That said, everything points to a 2021 start, with Eric Perez referring to one outstanding issue and indicating that they had been ready to go for some 8 months.

https://www.totalrl.com/perez-insists-there-are-no-stumbling-blocks-with-ottawa-and-hits-out-at-expansion-critics/

 

 

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3 hours ago, Manxmanc said:

Perhaps the most surprising point about the League Express article posted on the News section this morning is that 2020 remains a possibile date for entry. I thought the practical deadline had passed long ago. That said, everything points to a 2021 start, with Eric Perez referring to one outstanding issue and indicating that they had been ready to go for some 8 months.

https://www.totalrl.com/perez-insists-there-are-no-stumbling-blocks-with-ottawa-and-hits-out-at-expansion-critics/

 

 

And still suggesting he can ' convert ' gridiron players into RL ones ? ?

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1 hour ago, GUBRATS said:

And still suggesting he can ' convert ' gridiron players into RL ones ? ?

It's entirely possible, especially in the case of Canadians because many Canadian gridiron players also played RU in high school.

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38 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

It's entirely possible, especially in the case of Canadians because many Canadian gridiron players also played RU in high school.

Not knowing the size and spread of RU in Ontario , I'll bow to your superior knowledge , I suppose time will tell ?

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3 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Not knowing the size and spread of RU in Ontario , I'll bow to your superior knowledge , I suppose time will tell ?

RU is taught in phys. ed. class and many (nowadays it could be most) high schools also have RU teams, whose players are pretty much all on the school's gridiron team too if it has one.

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TheLegendOfTexEvans

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6 hours ago, Manxmanc said:

Perhaps the most surprising point about the League Express article posted on the News section this morning is that 2020 remains a possibile date for entry. I thought the practical deadline had passed long ago. That said, everything points to a 2021 start, with Eric Perez referring to one outstanding issue and indicating that they had been ready to go for some 8 months.

https://www.totalrl.com/perez-insists-there-are-no-stumbling-blocks-with-ottawa-and-hits-out-at-expansion-critics/

 

 

Funny, how gullible people are.

 

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31 minutes ago, TheLegendOfTexEvans said:

Funny, how gullible people are.

 

There's a question over the source of players, but there is every chance the project will get off the ground.

It's consciously less ambitious than TWP, which was the trailblazer, and I'd take a punt on it coming to fruition.

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30 minutes ago, Tre Cool said:

It's out of the question.  It's v difficult even for an experienced union player.  I'm a big fan of Perez but I think he's wrong on this one.

 

30 minutes ago, Tre Cool said:

It's out of the question.  It's v difficult even for an experienced union player.  I'm a big fan of Perez but I think he's wrong on this one.

I think some are missing the point is many OUA players did and in some cases still play union.

 

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1 hour ago, Manxmanc said:

There's a question over the source of players, but there is every chance the project will get off the ground.

It's consciously less ambitious than TWP, which was the trailblazer, and I'd take a punt on it coming to fruition.

you need doers, not talkers.

we have seen no evidence of anything in any form being done.

 

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