The Future is League Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 A game that very poorly marketed by the RFL https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/49106035 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 A member of the Stadium staff told me on the day that in his opinion the crowd was nowhere near 50k. There was ten of us there and we all thought the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 The RFL must be praying that Halifax don't upset the odds on Saturday* * they won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, paulwalker71 said: The RFL must be praying that Halifax don't upset the odds on Sunday* * they won't I would love to see Mc Manus face if they did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, Gooleboy said: I would love to see Mc Manus face if they did! And Ralph Rimmer's face as well! That £207K projected profit will suddenly look a bit ...ummm... over optimistic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 The RFL really shouldn’t be relying on one game to make all their income for the year. There were definitely over 50,000 at Wembley. Surely we should be turning a profit from a 50,000+ crowd, if that makes a loss Wembley must be seriously expensive and we really should be looking to move away. Magic weekend has shown big stadiums and local authorities want to host big RL events. Put the Cup Final out to tender and it will return a healthy profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Gooleboy said: A member of the Stadium staff told me on the day that in his opinion the crowd was nowhere near 50k. There was ten of us there and we all thought the same. Barely looked 40k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 On a more serious note though, the RFL need to somehow develop alternative income streams rather than simply relying on the CC Final to bale them out. Sooner or later Catalans, or Toronto or even Salford or Wakefield are going to make the CC Final (again) and we're going to be looking at 50K max again. They've got to find a more stable income base than just hoping that Hull, Leeds, Saints or Wigan make the Final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moove Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 So the loss of £327k is attributed to a crowd of 50k instead of the 70-80k we usually get, but they forsee a swing to a profit of £207k this year despite no home internationals compared to last year. Seems optimistic. Are the Kiwi's paying us a load of money for GB to go over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Moove said: So the loss of £327k is attributed to a crowd of 50k instead of the 70-80k we usually get, but they forsee a swing to a profit of £207k this year despite no home internationals compared to last year. Seems optimistic. Are the Kiwi's paying us a load of money for GB to go over? £500k shared between 25,000 is £20 Its purely from the Cup Final. As someone above said, relying on the same few big clubs making the Cup Final every year isn’t good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moove Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: £500k shared between 25,000 is £20 Its purely from the Cup Final. As someone above said, relying on the same few big clubs making the Cup Final every year isn’t good enough. Fair enough, I'd have thought the internationals would have made a fair bit last year but perhaps not. I suppose with bigger attended clubs in the final this year (if Saints beat Fax) then they'd be less reliant on all the cheap ticket offers they put out last year too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Without seeing the full figures it is difficult to comment, but it is important to understand that this doesn't mean that the Challenge Cup lost money. Versus budget it under-performed, but as a standalone event it may have generated a profit. It would appear that the problem for the RFL is the lack of real income generating activity. Everything is done on a shoe-string because that is all we can afford. The lack of commercial investment in the game has to be the biggest challenge the game has ever faced, as quite simply it is stopping us doing anything to any kind of standard. We have seen that when we have the investment (RLWC'13 and '21 so far) we can actually do a good job. Dutton for example delivered a pretty depressing Four Nations a couple of years back, yet we have a World Cup on the horizon that looks like it is being delivered by completely different people, when it aint. Commercial income should be the highest priority bar none. And I don't mean scraping aroundd for a few grand from AB Sundecks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 53 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: Barely looked 40k Well sinfield ? thought it was 50000+, so both of you need to make your minds up. In other news, we cannot move Wembley can we? I thought we had signed a deal just recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopping Mad Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 55 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said: The RFL must be praying that Halifax don't upset the odds on Saturday* * they won't Circa 30,000 from Halifax in 1987 and 1988 (when interest in the club and the sport was very high). In the unlikely event of Halifax reaching the 2019 final, how many would they take to Wembley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 54 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: Barely looked 40k I doubt they’d want to pay tax on 15,000 unsold tickets just to inflate the crowd figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Eddie said: I doubt they’d want to pay tax on 15,000 unsold tickets just to inflate the crowd figure. The number of tickets sold is irrelevant for tax purposes, only the actual gate receipts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Eddie said: I doubt they’d want to pay tax on 15,000 unsold tickets just to inflate the crowd figure. Rugby League fans love a conspiracy, but to suggest it was less than half full is ridiculous. The correct attendance was announced, why would Wembley Stadium Management lie about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said: Well sinfield ? thought it was 50000+, so both of you need to make your minds up. In other news, we cannot move Wembley can we? I thought we had signed a deal just recently? Unfortunately MoK is most likely to be correct. Lower tier capacity - 34,303, middle tier capacity 16,532 - total available capacity of 50,834 People can make their own observation on whether every seat was full. https://images.app.goo.gl/FwtuMroxgWjg81vR9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Rugby League fans love a conspiracy, but to suggest it was less than half full is ridiculous. The correct attendance was announced, why would Wembley Stadium Management lie about it? The evidence suggests otherwise. To get 50k every seat would have needed to be full on the bottom and middle tier. https://images.app.goo.gl/N2ygpzKxRXjZCBua9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dave T said: Unfortunately MoK is most likely to be correct. Lower tier capacity - 34,303, middle tier capacity 16,532 - total available capacity of 50,834 People can make their own observation on whether every seat was full. https://images.app.goo.gl/FwtuMroxgWjg81vR9 Some people were sat in the upper tier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Some people were sat in the upper tier No they weren't. It was closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 On a brighter note, a Saints v Hull/Wire final is just about the best the RFL could hope for so it should be back to respectability this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Clothesoff Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 It shows how out of touch The RFaiL are that all of their hopes are pinned on one event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobbygobbler Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 The crowd would be bigger if Fax went to Wembley. Would generate loads of interest being the first second div club to get to the final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Clothesoff Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Lobbygobbler said: The crowd would be bigger if Fax went to Wembley. Would generate loads of interest being the first second div club to get to the final That’s up their with the most mental things I’ve ever read on here and that takes some doing on this place. Congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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