Dave T Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Oliver Clothesoff said: It shows how out of touch The RFaiL are that all of their hopes are pinned on one event. That is a complete distortion of reality though isn't it? They could have hit their budget for a hundred other events and aims and failed this one, that takes them under budget. I mean, I know they didn't but the Challenge Cup is clearly the biggest event they have each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 30 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said: The number of tickets sold is irrelevant for tax purposes, only the actual gate receipts. True, but they know how much tickets are on sale for so the tax man would obviously question if the attendance x ticket price didn’t equal reported receipts (in simple terms obviously, as there are different tiers of tickets). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: On a brighter note, a Saints v Hull/Wire final is just about the best the RFL could hope for so it should be back to respectability this year. It will be interesting to see how this year goes. Both Wire and Hull have had plenty of visits to Wembley in recent years so that 'must attend' feeling has gone, and we will see whether neutrals have really got peed off over things like having their seats moved etc. last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Oliver Clothesoff said: That’s up their with the most mental things I’ve ever read on here and that takes some doing on this place. Congratulations. Indeed. It would have some novelty value, but it isn't an event that would have the neutrals looking to spend a fortune to go to London to watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 And just a little reminder .... Saints v Wigan go about 1000 more approx. 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, Dave T said: Indeed. It would have some novelty value, but it isn't an event that would have the neutrals looking to spend a fortune to go to London to watch it. Are there neutrals any more. Not enough anyway. Are the associated costs and travel problems worth it? The GF is always going to be local and Magic us a 2 day event and usually in a place that is less expensive and congested as London. The FA Cup final is still filled but the competition is now second rate. Quality teams in all leagues are more interested in promotion and good teams put out second stringers. Saints and Wire are the other way around... Saints as we have seen, and Wire's form has dipped as they get to the semi. On wonders if FC will be over cooked after some hard games. To add... The RFL have taken the Challenge Cup for granted. In similar vein the FA have found Wembley to be a millstone round their neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunsletgreenandgold Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 43 minutes ago, Dave T said: Unfortunately MoK is most likely to be correct. Lower tier capacity - 34,303, middle tier capacity 16,532 - total available capacity of 50,834 People can make their own observation on whether every seat was full. https://images.app.goo.gl/FwtuMroxgWjg81vR9 Appreciate this pic is taken a little further along the side of the ground but does give the crowd a must fuller look. Must admit I was sat in one of the corner-ish areas and it was probably one of the more sparse areas but everywhere else did look pretty full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunsletgreenandgold Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Monkey Lover said: Apparently if Halifax get to the final they have decided to play it here.......just next to the Vending machines. Jesus christ - are they all just going to sit there whilst Brian Barwick looks like a dog with the car window up in a heatwave! Get that man a drink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunsletgreenandgold Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Monkey Lover said: If only there were some facilities nearby where he could purchase a cold can of pop?? The silly sausage is holding a bottle of water..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonM Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Dave T said: No they weren't. It was closed. You sure about that? My recollection is that certain parts of the upper tier were in use and google images does seem to show people in some upper blocks when the trophy is being presented. The RFL loss is an improvement on the 2017 £2m loss due to paying off Big Nige & Roger Draper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonM Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 52 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said: Are there neutrals any more. Not enough anyway. I've been to every final at the new Wembley as a neutral and there's always been thousands of neutrals there, judging by the number of club shirts on display. Maybe the difference is that it's only a few thousand rather than half of the crowd as was maybe the case in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 I don’t know what everyone is worried about..............Wembley will sell out this year because we have the AB Sundecks Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Rupert Prince said: Are there neutrals any more. Not enough anyway. Are the associated costs and travel problems worth it? The GF is always going to be local and Magic us a 2 day event and usually in a place that is less expensive and congested as London. The FA Cup final is still filled but the competition is now second rate. Quality teams in all leagues are more interested in promotion and good teams put out second stringers. Saints and Wire are the other way around... Saints as we have seen, and Wire's form has dipped as they get to the semi. On wonders if FC will be over cooked after some hard games. To add... The RFL have taken the Challenge Cup for granted. In similar vein the FA have found Wembley to be a millstone round their neck. I'd suggest there are still large numbers of neutrals, but it varies based on attractiveness of the fixture. Clubs may take 20 to 30k each max, there may be up to 30k neutrsls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, hunsletgreenandgold said: Appreciate this pic is taken a little further along the side of the ground but does give the crowd a must fuller look. Must admit I was sat in one of the corner-ish areas and it was probably one of the more sparse areas but everywhere else did look pretty full. When you watch the game, it's still on YouTube, there are plenty of empty seats. Now many of those tickets may have been in homes of Saints fans, but the seats were empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 54 minutes ago, JonM said: You sure about that? My recollection is that certain parts of the upper tier were in use and google images does seem to show people in some upper blocks when the trophy is being presented. The RFL loss is an improvement on the 2017 £2m loss due to paying off Big Nige & Roger Draper. Yes. See hunslet's photo in this thread. The people you mention are likely to be the media section you can see. The upper tier is closed and customers were moved to the lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiH68 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Monkey Lover said: Apparently if Halifax get to the final they have decided to play it here.......just next to the Vending machines. Jesus christ...that is embarrassing! Is this honestly the best we can do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dealwithit Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, scotchy1 said: The RFL shouldn't really be making any money and arent set up to. They distribute funds and arent really a profit making exercise so whether they make a small loss or profit is irrelevant. Saying that, seeing how they are so dependent on one game they barely do anything with, it begs the question why arent they developing any other income streams. Why is the merchandising generally so poor and short lived, why arent there corporate etc at England games, why aren't there England games, why isnt there an international and club 9s. The RFL make it very difficult to give them money Agreed. What you really want to know is the annual budget and the results from that yearly spend: players, fans, viewers, clubs, teams, referees, coaches, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx RL Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Lobbygobbler said: The crowd would be bigger if Fax went to Wembley. Would generate loads of interest being the first second div club to get to the final Bigger by mass or volume? - Adepto Successu Per Tributum Fuga - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Putt Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Lobbygobbler said: The crowd would be bigger if Fax went to Wembley. Would generate loads of interest being the first second div club to get to the final Crowd counting Autobots are go!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Monkey Lover said: Is that Brian Barwick I espy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Putt Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, deluded pom? said: Is that Brian Barwick I espy? Correct. Transfixed by the scotch egg mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiffers Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 If we are reliant so much on one game per year to generate enough revenue to cover operating costs and sustain the RFL then we really are in a (very) bad place... This is precisely why internationals & corporate relationships are so important. Generating different revenue streams is absolutely top priority. If the RFL own the England & GB brands then they should be doing everything in their power to get these out as much as possible. 1) to generate ticket revenues (short-term one-off income) 2) to provide opportunity for corporate sponsorship (& audience reach to those businesses) building longer term relationships and sticky revenues. Its the basic principles of marketing!!! "Company A" will pay for spaces in which they can reach their target audience. If we arent providing that platform then no wonder we are struggling to raise revenues in this manner. These income sources should be alongside public funding/bidding for funds to push the government sporting agenda etc. Its all about generating a healthy mix of revenues to facilitate a strategic plan... What strategic plan I hear you say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 hours ago, hunsletgreenandgold said: Jesus christ - are they all just going to sit there whilst Brian Barwick looks like a dog with the car window up in a heatwave! Get that man a drink! Lord Mayor Tony Adams has banned anyone at the RFL from having cans of pop as it’s bad for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 7 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Some people were sat in the upper tier The top tier was closed. We had top tier tickets and were moved by the RFL about a week before. We got a letter with the new tickets telling us so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 It has to fall clearly on the RFL for bowing down to SKY TV and making the challenge cup a side show, maybe now they'll realise how important the competition is to Rugby League. Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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