Man of Kent Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 I know, I know. It’s Mick Gledhill. However, can anyone find an official statement by the RFL/NRL/RLIF/ARL (and their officials) who say definitively that the Kangaroos will play England next year? Can only find reference to a ‘Kangaroo tour of UK/GB’ etc Me, I’m all for it. Great Britain should never have been tossed away in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Now they are talking, GB for future test series, individual home countries for the other international comps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_57 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 If so what a waste of time building the England brand for 10+ years. Enjoy the nostalgia trip that benifits nobody but Hummel and shirt collectors. What's the grand plan for England? Pull the brand back out of the trash just in time for the home world cup then disappear again for 4 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, jim_57 said: If so what a waste of time building the England brand for 10+ years. Enjoy the nostalgia trip that benifits nobody but Hummel and shirt collectors. What's the grand plan for England? Pull the brand back out of the trash just in time for the home world cup then disappear again for 4 years? The England brand sucks though. People aren’t really into it. I’d argue the Great Britain brand is still stronger than England even though it has been moribund for 12 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Something's got a bit tricky in rugby league so we better entirely change direction. Always the way. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moove Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: The England brand sucks though. People aren’t really into it. I’d argue the Great Britain brand is still stronger than England even though it has been moribund for 12 years. What are you basing that on? I'm assuming not attendances given... 2007 series vs NZ (last as GB) - 16,500 / 20,300 / 21,200 2017 series vs NZ (last as England) - 17,600 / 26,200 / 32,200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_57 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: The England brand sucks though. People aren’t really into it. I’d argue the Great Britain brand is still stronger than England even though it has been moribund for 12 years. Have you got any sort of evidence to back that up though? Not saying you're wrong but that seems a very debatable subject. England seemed to be doing well, getting some big crowds, not like interest plummeted when they made the switch. Were things really any better as GB&I or is it just a classic case of people remembering things being better than they actually were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_57 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Something's got a bit tricky in rugby league so we better entirely change direction. Always the way. What actually got tricky though? Nigel Wood missing the touch of blue on the shirt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: The England brand sucks though. People aren’t really into it. I’d argue the Great Britain brand is still stronger than England even though it has been moribund for 12 years. "Team GB" was always good enough for the Olympics. However... just how reliable is this story? Plus ... The whole thing is complicated by the "British Isles" and just why should we bring in Ireland just to ape RU. Our real name is UNITED KINGDOM of course. "Kingdom" has a certain cache. Although I always think the French way sounds classy, "Royaume-Uni". But leaving all that aside, the general name for our country is Britain and I do not see why we cannot just have it and support it from all sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, jim_57 said: Have you got any sort of evidence to back that up though? Not saying you're wrong but that seems a very debatable subject. England seemed to be doing well, getting some big crowds, not like interest plummeted when they made the switch. Were things really any better as GB&I or is it just a classic case of people remembering things being better than they actually were? I’m talking specifically about the brand which you brought up, not crowds and results. The overwhelmingly positive reaction to the GB jersey would never be replicated by a new England top. The Lions tickle spots in the rugby league fan that England doesn’t reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, jim_57 said: What actually got tricky though? Nigel Wood missing the touch of blue on the shirt? Pretty much nothing but it's got a bit fiddly now that the nostalgics got their way for a tour … so rather than think too hard about how to run domestic national sides alongside a Great Britain team, it's just easier to make the England tests 'Great Britain' ... Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: I’m talking specifically about the brand which you brought up, not crowds and results. The overwhelmingly positive reaction to the GB jersey would never be replicated by a new England top. The Lions tickle spots in the rugby league fan that England doesn’t reach. Nostalgia over common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: The overwhelmingly positive reaction to the GB jersey would never be replicated by a new England top. I also like New York Cosmos shirts. It doesn't mean I think the future of US sport is the NASL. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Clothesoff Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Would love this. That ground looks superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastLondonMike Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Watching GB was part of my RL upbringing, and it made perfect sense back then, but makes no sense now. The England brand is much stronger (albeit with a terrible crest). GB is pure nostalgia. Newham Dockers - Champions 2013. Rugby League For East London. 100% Cockney Rugby League!Twitter: @NewhamDockersRL - Get following! www.newhamdockers.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Man of Kent said: The England brand sucks though. People aren’t really into it. Really, how do you explain these? England v Australia Elland Road 34,174 England v Australia Wembley Stadium 42,344 England v Australia Millennium Stadium 45,052 England v New Zealand Wembley Stadium 67,545 England v New Zealand London Olympic Stadium 44,393 England v Scotland Coventry Ricoh Stadium 21,009 England v Australia London Olympic Stadium 35,569 England v New Zealand, Elland Road 32,186 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 It would be unbelievable if England don't play Australia next year. Especially so the year before that little thing called a World Cup. A World Cup where we will compete as England and which is entirely in England. If England have no fixtures next year then it would also be 3 years since their last by the time of the World Cup. No building momentum or publicity for the tournament or trying to attract people to future England matches. Jesus wept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Man of Kent said: The England brand sucks though. People aren’t really into it. I’d argue the Great Britain brand is still stronger than England even though it has been moribund for 12 years. Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plow Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 GB is a better brand than England. What is England’s identity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr Plow said: GB is a better brand than England. What is England’s identity? Do you mean in RL or just generally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr Plow said: GB is a better brand than England. What is England’s identity? This is nonsense. Easily the most popular sport in this country uses the England brand. As does Cricket, as does RU. It is a brand identifiable to millions. Many youngsters, and even those up to their mid 20s have very little or no awareness of GB in Rugby League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mr Plow said: GB is a better brand than England. What is England’s identity? What does that mean? England RL are a Rugby team representing England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 If we want the 'brand' to appeal to nostalgic Rugby League fans then go with Great Britain. If we want the Ashes series to reach a wider audience and raise the profile of the sport for a welcome period then go with England. I know where my vote goes. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dunbar said: If we want the 'brand' to appeal to nostalgic Rugby League fans then go with Great Britain. If we want the Ashes series to reach a wider audience and raise the profile of the sport for a welcome period then go with England. I know where my vote goes. How would the Ashes reach a wider audience as England than Great Britain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 Makes me smile when rebranding GB as England is portrayed to be progressive when it is the opposite and was borne out of a short-termist funding issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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