The Future is League Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, paulwalker71 said: You don't say? Whatever else you can say about Andrew Chalmers, he isn't a total fool. And anyone who thinks 'the RFL and Bradford Council will conjure up money' is clearly a fool. Both organisations are totally bereft of money. Moreover, I don't see where Chalmers is saying he expects such a thing will happen. Clearly, any new stadium, if one ever happens, will need private funding - from a developer who sees a way to make money on an overall scheme. Whether that involves retail, leisure, business - who knows? What the Council can do - and whether they will, we don't know - is help with providing land, facilitating planning permissions, and generally being helpful for once. But nobody thinks there will be any actual hard cash from the Council. Bradford are going to get about half the gates they get at Odsal. They will have to pay the rent at Dewsbury and that wont be a peppercorn rent No match day revenue from Alcohol and food that will all be going into the Dewsbury coffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Agbrigg said: I believe this is pure brinkmanship and really surprised you are all swallowing this. Carter did the same last year and it came off for him. This is just the bulls copying wakey. By the way has anyone got any hard evidence that Dewsbury have actually agreed to all this, because I bet no one has. If you mean, 'has anyone on an internet forum seen the actual contract', then I guess the answer is 'no'. But Dewsbury seem to have confirmed it https://dewsburyrams.co.uk/2019/08/15/rams-welcome-bulls-for-next-two-years/ And we've already put season tickets on sale for next year at Dewsbury - with reduced prices to reflect the situation. I'm guessing there'd be all kinds of legal ramifications if people buy tickets for one location, only to find that the ticket is valid for another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, The Future is League said: Bradford are going to get about half the gates they get at Odsal. They will have to pay the rent at Dewsbury and that wont be a peppercorn rent No match day revenue from Alcohol and food that will all be going into the Dewsbury coffers. Neither you or I know what the crowds will be at Dewsbury yet. We already know the rent is around £2K per game - compared to approximately £30K to stage each match at Odsal (taking everything - maintenance as well as rent - into account). So there's around half a million quid in savings for a start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, fairfolly said: No it is not going to happen Johnny. That could be part of the problem why no businessman is prepared to invest in the Bulls. If you was a successful businessman would you be prepared to buy the lease from the R.F.L ? I know I would not.Maybe if everything was brought out into the open somebody somewhere would be prepared to invest. If there is nothing to hide where is the problem.? What you are forgetting that the RFL took the lease over from the Bulls as the Bulls didn't have the money to pay it. The Bulls today owe their very existent to the RFL for taking over the lease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintspete83 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Agbrigg said: I believe this is pure brinkmanship and really surprised you are all swallowing this. Carter did the same last year and it came off for him. This is just the bulls copying wakey. By the way has anyone got any hard evidence that Dewsbury have actually agreed to all this, because I bet no one has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, paulwalker71 said: Neither you or I know what the crowds will be at Dewsbury yet. We already know the rent is around £2K per game - compared to approximately £30K to stage each match at Odsal (taking everything - maintenance as well as rent - into account). So there's around half a million quid in savings for a start! Only a fool would believe there crowds would hold up at Dewsbury. I think you will find the rent a bit more than £2K a game. Not having money from Food and alcohol is a big loss for any club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, saintspete83 said: That raises the question would happens after 2 years if they can't move back to Bradford? Dewsbury will know doubt let them continue to use their ground, for an increase in rent and still no revenue from food and alcohol for the Bulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agbrigg Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 That press release looks incomplete. It should also include words to effect ,unless a more favourable deal at odsal is forth coming. Really surprised that Dewsbury are playing along with this seeing how Carter did it to the in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Agbrigg said: That press release looks incomplete. It should also include words to effect ,unless a more favourable deal at odsal is forth coming. Really surprised that Dewsbury are playing along with this seeing how Carter did it to the in the past. Dewsbury stand to make a quite a bit of money if the Bradford deal goes ahead. Extra revenue = better players = more success = bigger crowds = more revenue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul hicks Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 55 minutes ago, fairfolly said: Johnny, I believe that R.L. has to be played on the ground until 2052. I have certainly read that somewhere,whether that is true I am not sure.But it has always been believed that there is some sort of covenant on the ground to that effect. here was a covenant on McLaren field bramley as well and that was changed in about 6 weeks when bramley moved out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairfolly Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Agbrigg, You seem to think that Carter and Chalmers are one and the same man.Maybe Mr. Sawyer has more confidence in Mr. Chalmers than Mr. Carter.Also once again just maybe there is a get out clause in the contract.Once again guesswork comes to the fore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agbrigg Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 It will not happen, Chalmers will bluff his way to a better deal, or swallow his pride and stay in Bradford. He is just using Dewsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dboy Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Carter and Dewsbury were genuine and serious. The Dewsbury chairman has always been open to developing the size of the Rams business. I have no doubt that Chalmers and Dewsbury are serious. If all these Bulls fans want to stay in Bfd, maybe you will accept a much weakened squad next year? Or perhaps you could get former players to donate memorabilia and have an auction? There may still be some knocking about. Or you could accept that Chalmers has the best interests of the club at heart and trust that he knows what his business needs to look like going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairfolly Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Agbrigg, Judging by your posts you obviously know Mr. Chalmers personally or are you just casting aspersions that Mr. Chalmers is dishonest.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul hicks Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 could I ask where Braford will have there offices and shop for selling shirts ect as I presume they will have to vacate odsal in September. also what's he position of the ground staff ect who do there best to keep things going at odsal will they have to be made redundant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, paul hicks said: could I ask where Braford will have there offices and shop for selling shirts ect as I presume they will have to vacate odsal in September. also what's he position of the ground staff ect who do there best to keep things going at odsal will they have to be made redundant? Chalmers also runs 11 other businesses out of Odsal as well as the Bulls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigbyLuger Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Why are the club (via their mouthpiece) keen to announce how much rent they are paying to Dewsbury? Shouldn't that be kept private? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said: Why are the club (via their mouthpiece) keen to announce how much rent they are paying to Dewsbury? Shouldn't that be kept private? How many guesses would you like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agbrigg Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 44 minutes ago, fairfolly said: Agbrigg, Judging by your posts you obviously know Mr. Chalmers personally or are you just casting aspersions that Mr. Chalmers is dishonest.? Ok smarty pants tell me where I have said Chalmers is dishonest. He is just using standard business tactics in the hope of bluffing his way to a better deal. Like I have I am totally suprised how many are falling for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meast Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 21 hours ago, ojx said: This is very sad for the sport. It needs a vibrant club in Bradford. RFL should do all that they can to keep them there. RL is going to have a slow death if it can't maintain a club like this. Why? Huddersfield Giants Supporters Association Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul hicks Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: Chalmers also runs 11 other businesses out of Odsal as well as the Bulls interesting I take it he will relocate them as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meast Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 hours ago, paul hicks said: am I right in thinking that there's been temporary seating at Huddersfield for years at one end of the ground . It's movable seating, so they can build a stage there. Huddersfield Giants Supporters Association Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelic Cynic Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Agbrigg said: It will not happen, Chalmers will bluff his way to a better deal, or swallow his pride and stay in Bradford. He is just using Dewsbury I don't think Dewsbury made any efforts to have their stadium improved for Super League standards. This 'bluff' seems to be going well - as they are advertising season tickets for The Tetley stadium in 2020. https://www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/article/53233/-vision--destination-super-league No reserves,but resilience,persistence and determination are omnipotent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ojx Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, meast said: Why? Because it's a major population centre in the heartlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dboy Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, ojx said: Because it's a major population centre in the heartlands. And? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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