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2 hours ago, fairfolly said:

Chambers refused to sign the deal concerning the lease as it was stipulated that the Bulls would have to pay the maintenance costs along with rental, council taxes etc,etc.The deal had already been signed by previous incumbents but that deal runs out Sept. 1st or so I am led to believe. In normal rental practice surely the Owner of the site should pay for the maintenance, but ,hey ho, never mind,it will make a lot of so called R.L. fans happy that the Bulls are in trouble again.

As I've said before if this incarnation was really new then the previous lease agreement was void. No wonder the ex employees were 'suing' the new club. Plenty of lease agreements place the burden of maintenance on the tenant so nothing unusual there. 

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1 minute ago, hindle xiii said:

I had hoped to come back to Bradford Bulls this season rejuvenated. I'm not.

I am done with that club.

Aaah. Mate. 

Hope you're well, RL aside.


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Redjohn. 

             Neither did I know they had a Kabbadi league,I know nothing about the sport only that the Asian community seem to have plenty of sponsorship available where sport is concerned.I just thought I would throw that in there.The rest is correct though, Bradford is finished as a sporting city whilst this presiding council is in office.Problem is there is not enough voters to get them out.And as I have already pointed out other Town and City councils have the same problems but use the monies available sensibly compared to Bradford.

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1 hour ago, Amber Avenger said:

Odsal needs millions of pounds spent on it to make it long term viable. The suggestion from Chalmers isn't to come back to Odsal, it's to come back to a brand new stadium elsewhere in Bradford (not sure where yet, heard it'll be in the garden where the Cottingley Fairies were found). 

To go part time and put the money into Odsal is basically treading water, or - in reality - probably worse. 

That quote highlights something that rarely, if ever, gets mentioned: the pressure put on all the recent new owners by (many of) the fans of the club wanting instant success and a rapid return to the glory days. Given the recent history of the club treading water for a few years and consolidating before trying to grow wouldn't be a bad thing to do.

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13 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

That quote highlights something that rarely, if ever, gets mentioned: the pressure put on all the recent new owners by (many of) the fans of the club wanting instant success and a rapid return to the glory days. Given the recent history of the club treading water for a few years and consolidating before trying to grow wouldn't be a bad thing to do.

To defend myself - the treading water comment is regarding the Odsal situation. 

I'd have a look back at a lot of the predictions from Bulls fans on here this year. Many people were happy to simply avoid relegation. As someone in the fanbase who speaks to other fans, I don't think anyone is pressuring the club to return to the glory days - Chalmers himself publicly stated Top 5 was an aim, much to the derision of his own fanbase. Most of the glory days fanbase, have peeled away like the paint on the Odsal terraces with every succesive administration. To turn this around on the fans - who have suffered as much as anyone - is unfair IMO. 

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Good luck to Bradford, it's a dangerous move to leave your own town without a concrete plan to return and I say that as a 30 year-old Swinton fan who has never seen his club play in its own town. 

I get that the ground is a relic that has been a millstone around the Bradford neck for years but once it's gone it's gone. Pinning hopes on the council building something is fanciful when local councils have no money for basic services

It's easy to say with hindsight but perhaps they should have had this sorted when they were in a position of strength with huge crowds and the UK economy was much more favourable towards development.

Great news for Dewsbury though, they'll be able to spend a lot more next year with the additional income and it should see them well clear of relegation troubles.

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Let's do a quick calc...  3,000 ST at an average of say £200 each = £600k.  The maintenance is £500k+ pa and growing and the rent is £72k pa on the lease just expired.  You've then got both the wages, operational costs and match day costs.  If the club had a player wage bill of zero then the costs of the stadium are still too much.  Not sure why people don't get that.

The reason why this is being raised now is because the existing lease is up.  So has to be renegotiated.  Given the above it's no surprise that AC won't sign it.

I can't speak for everyone but what I would say is that I'm not coming across any of these BB fans that are 'wanting instant success and a rapid return to the glory days'.  If anything there is a sombre resignation that things will be bad for a long time, but that we're glad to have had those days when so many others haven't, and we live in hope.

Our recent history has been shaped by our owners.  All our owners have been appointed and approved by the RFL.  That appointment process has been shrouded in secrecy, and the one opportunity that we had that it might come out was at the court case from the last admin.  However, that was shut down by being settled out of court in yet another strange episode.  This is the same RFL that compounded our problems by over-seeing the removal of our central funding and dividing it up among the other SL clubs, then awarding swingeing points deductions to successive new owners, and of course cutting the number of SL clubs from 14 to 12 in 2014 meaning relegation.

Which brings us to today...

The club looks like it will leave the city.  If it does then I can't ever see it returning in any meaningful sense.  It'll be the end.  If Bradford Northern is ressurrected as a rival club to play out of Horsfall then that will very divisive and likely to prove to be a poison.  And then there's the chancers, the charlatans, the opportunists.  If Odsal gets sold then there will be an awful lot of money flying around and it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility that some of the characters already known to us fall into this category, and indeed may have contrived it.  If only there were some journalists around to investigate.... but where to find them?

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Amber is quite correct re the glory days fans. I have been a supporter,sponsor, and everything else since the first game I saw at Odsal in 1950. That is a long,long time. As he says when the Glory days started nearly all the people in my village were there, now those days have gone I bet you can not find four who go.Whole families were attending because whatever has gone on since,the Bulls and Peter Deakin did it right.Nowadays you might see the odd family there and the rest are diehard supporters who have followed them through thick and thin.I am one of those who was quite happy to see them avoid relegation for the next few years and try to build a solid base.The idea that this season they had a chance of promotion to S.L. was just nonsensical,it was never going to happen this season nor next. Quite obviously Andrew Chalmers and John Kear were not going to say that but anybody would half a brain cell could see it was not going to be.All we can hope now is that just maybe the millionaire owner of B.P.A. who is a Bradford lad by the way,is true to his word and brings the Bulls back to Bradford.

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Koncrete, 

                 There is non so blind as those than can not see. It has probably helped you to get it off your chest but you are wasting your time with some posters.All they want to see is the demise of Bradford and then they will be delighted.Not all, but a good few on this forum from as Far away as Whitehaven, Workington, St Helens, Wigan and closer to home Keighley, York, Featherstone. All true R.L. supporters so they say.

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4 hours ago, fairfolly said:

Odsal even when filled in can not be used for social housing nor I believe any business which is going to employ hundreds of personnel. The grounds and the surrounding areas,i.e. the local Council Tip has been inspected time and time again and has been found not suitable for building due to the many gases now in the ground which have accumulated after many,many years of being used for the local tipping of household waste, etc,etc,etc. So as one poster has already stated whst will the R.F.L. and Bradford Council do now? Let it fall into further disrepair by leaving a great big hole in the ground for the next twenty years, remember Bradford has a history of this in the actual Town Centre.In this mornings local press the owner of B.P.A ,a millionaire oil man has promised there will be a R.L. team back in Bradford in the next couple of years which seems to me that talks are still ongoing with all parties. Also a nice little reminder that Bradford was once a great City for sport, two  professional football league clubs, Bradford Park Avenue and City, a Yorkshire cricket venue, a World Speedway stadium, two Greyhound venues.Now what have we got ,Valley Parade where League 2 football is currently being played with not much chance of being any higher.Bradford League cricket which was known as the best league in the country, gone, Bradford Central League cricket ,basically the second tier of the Bradford League, gone, Schools, football,rugby,cricket, gone.Airedale Harriers Athletics ,gone.What have we now in their place, Qaeed Azam cricket league, some sort of Kabbadi League.Tells its own story.And please let us not turn it into a Party Political story. All other towns in the U.K. are suffering the same,have they all lost all of their sports facilities and teams? I think I know the answer to that.

Don't forget the cricket and rugby union clubs, who both departed for Bingley...

Not sure the Bradford Cricket League has 'gone'. Its top division is one of the strongest ECB Premier leagues.

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5 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

Koncrete, 

                 There is non so blind as those than can not see. It has probably helped you to get it off your chest but you are wasting your time with some posters.All they want to see is the demise of Bradford and then they will be delighted.Not all, but a good few on this forum from as Far away as Whitehaven, Workington, St Helens, Wigan and closer to home Keighley, York, Featherstone. All true R.L. supporters so they say.

I doubt there are many on here who want to see the demise of any club (apart from TWP! for some).

Going to be a tough time and hopefully the club can come through it.   

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So Bradford Council own Horsfall Stadium is that right? 3500 capacity, and practically in Odsal?  Surely that is the route to go down.  Increasing the capacity by 1500 is surely possible so it's as big as Dewsbury.  Why is that not an affordable option?  Who's making that too expensive? 

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9 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

Koncrete,  There is non so blind as those than can not see. It has probably helped you to get it off your chest but you are wasting your time with some posters.All they want to see is the demise of Bradford and then they will be delighted.Not all, but a good few on this forum from as Far away as Whitehaven, Workington, St Helens, Wigan and closer to home Keighley, York, Featherstone. All true R.L. supporters so they say.

Yes, it is rather dispiriting to read the constant droning of people on this thread (and even more so on other forums and social media) who basically know nothing, but are taking a pyrrhic delight in picking over the bones of this.

For myself, I was first taken to Odsal as a small boy in the late 1960s and it has played a major part in my life since - through thick and thin. Yes, some 'glory days' in the late 70s / early 80s (Peter Fox RIP) and then again from the late 90s/early 2000s (Peter Deakin RIP). Two spells in 50+ years, totalling about 10 years, and the rest of the time there has been some pretty low points!

Now I find that the one and only game still to be played at Odsal takes place whilst I am on holiday, which means I will never be able to go and watch rugby at Odsal again. I don't expect any sympathy from the gloating naysayers, but it would be nice if some of those people could try to empathise a bit more!

Anyway, onwards and upwards...

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As long as they have some plans to move back into the City, then it may be a short - term loss, but you have to look at it in the long term. They either move, or most likely cease to exist over the next few years. Shame there aren't more Billionaires in the sport!

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1 hour ago, fairfolly said:

Redjohn. 

             Neither did I know they had a Kabbadi league,I know nothing about the sport only that the Asian community seem to have plenty of sponsorship available where sport is concerned.I just thought I would throw that in there.The rest is correct though, Bradford is finished as a sporting city whilst this presiding council is in office.Problem is there is not enough voters to get them out.And as I have already pointed out other Town and City councils have the same problems but use the monies available sensibly compared to Bradford.

thanks for your reply but at the risk of annoying other posters as its a side conversation may I suggest......  Google Le Panga or Kabbadi marketing strategy and get an intriguing insights on how they transformed a niche but cultural sport into something to compete with cricket IPL.   Its I believe the fastest growing sport in India (CNBC.com video) plus other nations too now..

I only took an interest a couple of years ago from a marketing strategy perspective.  Its a good "case book study" for those interested in marketing strategies, me thinks.

Also if I was Bradford council I'd take an interest given part of the demographics of the city. I would suggest it has huge potential for the City.

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31 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said:

the gloating naysayers

You're not going to get much sympathy whilst you're busy inventing people.

Nobody wants any club to die. Nobody wants fans driven away from the sport.

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I know I keep banging on about this, but here's a google image search for Horsfall Stadium.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=horsfall+stadium&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipk422vYfkAhXiVhUIHeiACtQQ_AUIEigC&biw=1440&bih=799

Don't get me wrong, it's a nice little set up for a division 6 (north) soccer side who get a few hundred fans, but that main stand that you see in all those images is pretty much it. Everything else is standing in a field next to a running track, watching a football game take place somewhere in the middle distance.

If you think you're getting several thousand RL fans in there without a significant amount of work, I'd be interested to know how.

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Just now, wilsontown said:

I know I keep banging on about this, but here's a google image search for Horsfall Stadium.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=horsfall+stadium&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipk422vYfkAhXiVhUIHeiACtQQ_AUIEigC&biw=1440&bih=799

Don't get me wrong, it's a nice little set up for a division 6 (north) soccer side who get a few hundred fans, but that main stand that you see in all those images is pretty much it. Everything else is standing in a field next to a running track, watching a football game take place somewhere in the middle distance.

If you think you're getting several thousand RL fans in there without a significant amount of work, I'd be interested to know how.

I can't tell from those pictures if it's possible but Newport County moved back to Newport to play at Spytty Park which had only one main stand an athletics track, so very similar. To get up to Conference standards they basically bought some temporary stands that were wheeled out and put up behind the goals when needed - and then removed when athletics was required. It wasn't satisfactory but it did see them through for a time and didn't require massive investment or planning permission.


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1 hour ago, fairfolly said:

Koncrete, 

                 There is non so blind as those than can not see. It has probably helped you to get it off your chest but you are wasting your time with some posters.All they want to see is the demise of Bradford and then they will be delighted.Not all, but a good few on this forum from as Far away as Whitehaven, Workington, St Helens, Wigan and closer to home Keighley, York, Featherstone. All true R.L. supporters so they say.

Who from those areas has said they want to see the demise of Bradford ?

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Always interesting how people interpret things depending on club loyalties.

Im not seeing much if any gloating just an intriguing debate. FWIW Bradford for a long time were my 2nd team, I remember them regularly bringing 4-5k to Cas and the Odsal experience as a young ‘un was amazing. 

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1 hour ago, Click said:

As long as they have some plans to move back into the City, then it may be a short - term loss, but you have to look at it in the long term. They either move, or most likely cease to exist over the next few years. Shame there aren't more Billionaires in the sport!

hunslet moved out of south Leeds for a few seasons and they somehow survived  so its not hopeless but I'm afraid expectation may well have to be lowered 

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Just now, paul hicks said:

hunslet moved out of south Leeds for a few seasons and they somehow survived  so its not hopeless but I'm afraid expectation may well have to be lowered 

They may of survived, but it isn't like they are thriving. In the short time I am sure they will be fine, but long term, surely Bradford should be playing in Bradford?

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44 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I can't tell from those pictures if it's possible but Newport County moved back to Newport to play at Spytty Park which had only one main stand an athletics track, so very similar. To get up to Conference standards they basically bought some temporary stands that were wheeled out and put up behind the goals when needed - and then removed when athletics was required. It wasn't satisfactory but it did see them through for a time and didn't require massive investment or planning permission.

am I right in thinking that there's been temporary seating at Huddersfield for years at one end of the ground .

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