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21 hours ago, Gav Wilson said:

All irrelevant. When you're in the position that Mick is in, you don't film yourself saying those things. It's as simple as that.

If he was just a fan it would barely have raised an eyebrow, but he's not. He's an accredited RFL journalist/broadcaster.

  Yet the BBC have employed an individual done for drink/driving,and retained the services of an individual who made a sexist remark following the horrendous death of the owner of Leicester City FC - heard by far more than have seen/heard Mick's stupidity.

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Back on topic.

 

What about this for a possible scenario?

1. Andrew Chalmers takes the Bulls to Dewsbury though it would be easier for fans to get to Horsfall, Halifax or Keighley.

2. The Council cuts a deal with the RFL over the surrender of the lease of Odsal ... this creates a much larger area for sale to a commercial developer. As owner of the Bulls, Andrew Chalmers receives a consideration.

3. A shortfall in the number of fans attending "home games" in the first season at Shaw Cross renders the Bulls in financial straits. The solution is to merge them with the Dewsbury Rams ... both clubs banking on most of the travelling Bulls fans being persuaded it's the only viable option and, anyway, both teams already play in red, yellow and black.

4. Gareth Roberts starts a new team in Bradford, to play at Horsfall. A pitch that currently sits inside an athletics  track, has no carpark and holds a stunning 3500 fans. This assumes that the RFL will give him a place in the bottom league.

5. Everything would be hunky dory if we ignored the facts that the city had lost an iconic stadium and the sport has lost  a shedload of fans.

6. The Labour group that runs the council will make a show of wringing its hands in the local paper and say "Never mind, we've built a new outdoor cycling circuit only a mile away."

 


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6 hours ago, RugbyLeagueMan said:

Will you be taking up his job then? I'd love to hear you call games...

I have absolutely no interest in commentating on Bradford games. I'm happy doing my bit for York thank you!

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20 minutes ago, Angelic Cynic said:

  Yet the BBC have employed an individual done for drink/driving,and retained the services of an individual who made a sexist remark following the horrendous death of the owner of Leicester City FC - heard by far more than have seen/heard Mick's stupidity.

All whataboutery. Mick shouldn't have filmed himself saying what he said.

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24 minutes ago, Angelic Cynic said:

  Yet the BBC have employed an individual done for drink/driving,and retained the services of an individual who made a sexist remark following the horrendous death of the owner of Leicester City FC - heard by far more than have seen/heard Mick's stupidity.

I'm not convinced you will get much support for the above here, but it's not massively relevant to this thread.

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Rugby League fans are the biggest set of sanctimonious do-gooders in sport.

Players arrested for poor behaviour constantly. At least a few drug bans a year. Crowd trouble.

Yet still make out to be morally superior to other sports.

 

A fat lad gets drunk after working at his teams stadium for the last time ever, sends a daft video where he swears once to his pals. Some grass leaks it and you all lose your ###### and want him hung drawn and quartered.

Get a grip.

 
 
 
 
 

 

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48 minutes ago, Wolford6 said:

Back on topic.

 

What about this for a possible scenario?

1. Andrew Chalmers takes the Bulls to Dewsbury though it would be easier for fans to get to Horsfall, Halifax or Keighley.

2. The Council cuts a deal with the RFL over the surrender of the lease of Odsal ... this creates a much larger area for sale to a commercial developer. As owner of the Bulls, Andrew Chalmers receives a consideration.

3. A shortfall in the number of fans attending "home games" in the first season at Shaw Cross renders the Bulls in financial straits. The solution is to merge them with the Dewsbury Rams ... both clubs banking on most of the travelling Bulls fans being persuaded it's the only viable option and, anyway, both teams already play in red, yellow and black.

4. Gareth Roberts starts a new team in Bradford, to play at Horsfall. A pitch that currently sits inside an athletics  track, has no carpark and holds a stunning 3500 fans. This assumes that the RFL will give him a place in the bottom league.

5. Everything would be hunky dory if we ignored the facts that the city had lost an iconic stadium and the sport has lost  a shedload of fans.

6. The Labour group that runs the council will make a show of wringing its hands in the local paper and say "Never mind, we've built a new outdoor cycling circuit only a mile away."

 

Almost as fanciful as the suggestion of the RFL building a stadium at Odsal to be used for 'big' games on the back of the 2021 RLWC.....

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2 hours ago, Tim Streets tache said:

 sends a daft video where he swears once to his pals. 

I assume you havent seen the video then?

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3 hours ago, Gav Wilson said:

All whataboutery. Mick shouldn't have filmed himself saying what he said.

  Absolutely he should NOT have behaved in such a disgraceful manner.That cannot be undone or unsaid.

  But in contrast to,and in comparison,with rugby league commentators with assault and other offences still in full employment and with higher wages than Mick makes from the sport he is always enthusiastic and encouraging about - apart from the odd occasion - it would seem unfair and unjust to treat him more harshly just because the individuals verbally abused are employed at The RFL. 


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1 minute ago, Angelic Cynic said:

  Absolutely he should NOT have behaved in such a disgraceful manner.That cannot be undone or unsaid.

  But in contrast to,and in comparison,with rugby league commentators with assault and other offences still in full employment and with higher wages than Mick makes from the sport he is always enthusiastic and encouraging about - apart from the odd occasion - it would seem unfair and unjust to treat him more harshly just because the individuals verbally abused are employed at The RFL. 

The bit in bold just isnt true. Or anywhere near true. He has publicly slated the game, its clubs, the RFL and refs over the last year, whilst working in the media and then hypocritically using the #positiverugbyleague nonsense.

In any field, if you verbally abused the CEO and Director if an organisation, dont be surprised if they dont use your services. It ain't a controversial approach tbh.

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4 minutes ago, Tim Streets tache said:

I have yeah? Don't think its the end of the world. 

I've seen and done a lot worse myself

Well he didnt swear just once to his pals, that's why I asked...

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1 hour ago, RigbyLuger said:

If anything, accusing time keepers of impropriety was actually worse.

Yes, that was a particularly positive bit of #positiverugbyleague

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5 hours ago, Angelic Cynic said:

  Absolutely he should NOT have behaved in such a disgraceful manner.That cannot be undone or unsaid.

  But in contrast to,and in comparison,with rugby league commentators with assault and other offences still in full employment and with higher wages than Mick makes from the sport he is always enthusiastic and encouraging about - apart from the odd occasion - it would seem unfair and unjust to treat him more harshly just because the individuals verbally abused are employed at The RFL. 

Has he actually been teated unjustly or are you responding to the usual slather on a forum? Maybe if something actually happens then it would be the time to comment.


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9 hours ago, Wolford6 said:

Back on topic.

 

What about this for a possible scenario?

1. Andrew Chalmers takes the Bulls to Dewsbury though it would be easier for fans to get to Horsfall, Halifax or Keighley.

2. The Council cuts a deal with the RFL over the surrender of the lease of Odsal ... this creates a much larger area for sale to a commercial developer. As owner of the Bulls, Andrew Chalmers receives a consideration.

3. A shortfall in the number of fans attending "home games" in the first season at Shaw Cross renders the Bulls in financial straits. The solution is to merge them with the Dewsbury Rams ... both clubs banking on most of the travelling Bulls fans being persuaded it's the only viable option and, anyway, both teams already play in red, yellow and black.

4. Gareth Roberts starts a new team in Bradford, to play at Horsfall. A pitch that currently sits inside an athletics  track, has no carpark and holds a stunning 3500 fans. This assumes that the RFL will give him a place in the bottom league.

5. Everything would be hunky dory if we ignored the facts that the city had lost an iconic stadium and the sport has lost  a shedload of fans.

6. The Labour group that runs the council will make a show of wringing its hands in the local paper and say "Never mind, we've built a new outdoor cycling circuit only a mile away."

 

1. Yes, but initially only for one year.

2. Why should AC receive any consideration? (Please remember this is a club only three years old before reacting.)

3. That is no solution and wouldn't even be considered by Dewsbury. They own a valuable asset, Bradford don't.

4. Highly unlikely.

5. This is not  scenario.

6. They are politicians responding to the interests of all of their constituents, the vast majority of whom don't watch RL. They are unlikely to build a cycling circuit aren't they?

7 Why are you anti-cycling?

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5 hours ago, Dave T said:

The bit in bold just isnt true. Or anywhere near true. He has publicly slated the game, its clubs, the RFL and refs over the last year, whilst working in the media and then hypocritically using the #positiverugbyleague nonsense.

In any field, if you verbally abused the CEO and Director if an organisation, dont be surprised if they dont use your services. It ain't a controversial approach tbh.

   Re the First paragraph I haven't heard him being too negative.

                Second paragraph - I think some successful people in sport have got away with things that less successful people haven't.

But I agree with the main thrust of your assertion.

 

10 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

Has he actually been teated unjustly or are you responding to the usual slather on a forum? Maybe if something actually happens then it would be the time to comment.

   It has just gone further than it should have,and perhaps some folk want their pound of flesh as they already have a prejudice against him.Some get second chances;some don't.

  

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9 hours ago, Wolford6 said:

 

5. Everything would be hunky dory if we ignored the facts that the city had lost an iconic stadium and the sport has lost  a shedload of fans.

Odsal is a financial millstone and has been for years. Its also a dump that has seen far better times. Neither Bradford as a City, nor any Sporting Club needs such a venue. Unless somebody is mad enough to waste tens of millions on it then it will always be a decaying dump that is not fit for modern day sport. Other Clubs sold there Grounds like Thrum Hall, Knowsley Rd, The Boulevard, Central Park, The Willows, Wilderspool etc because they were finacial Millstones, that sadly needed too much money to keep upgrading and the clubs usually moved into better modern Stadiums, even though they dont have the Charactor of the old Stadiums. Iconic Stadiums are not that good if they are one of the main reasons a Club struggles financially and need millions to upgrade them.

The Sport has lost a shedload of fans for various of reasons. Many of the reasons why the Sport or Clubs have lost these fans is because they have failed to move with the times and also have treated fans poorly over a number of years. Have any lessons been learnt? Looking at the way Clubs and the Gamestill operates-No!

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Surely it is time that this witch-hunt against Mick was stopped on this topic item, people are acting as if they are high and mighty and non of them have put in the amount of voluntary work that he has put into this game of ours. 

He is not employed by the RFL, and his work is only paid by the work he does in broadcasting usually Pulse 2. Apparently he was captured by an individual, who made a phone recording of Mick enjoying himself after the game, and decided to play the outcome on open media,. Does that mean he should be castigated by people who should know better, and are them selves more self righteous in the extreme.

I wonder how real celebrities would fare if a nobody could film them in unguarded moments for showing on the public media. This should never have been allowed to appear in this setting.

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15 hours ago, Lounge Room Lizard said:

Odsal is a financial millstone and has been for years. Its also a dump that has seen far better times. Neither Bradford as a City, nor any Sporting Club needs such a venue. Unless somebody is mad enough to waste tens of millions on it then it will always be a decaying dump that is not fit for modern day sport. Other Clubs sold there Grounds like Thrum Hall, Knowsley Rd, The Boulevard, Central Park, The Willows, Wilderspool etc because they were finacial Millstones, that sadly needed too much money to keep upgrading and the clubs usually moved into better modern Stadiums, even though they dont have the Charactor of the old Stadiums. Iconic Stadiums are not that good if they are one of the main reasons a Club struggles financially and need millions to upgrade them.

The Sport has lost a shedload of fans for various of reasons. Many of the reasons why the Sport or Clubs have lost these fans is because they have failed to move with the times and also have treated fans poorly over a number of years. Have any lessons been learnt? Looking at the way Clubs and the Gamestill operates-No!

I know it's only probably for the thousandth time but.... Tesco > 'Yes' > Bulls > VP> Morrisons 'No'> Stephen Byers 'Inquiry' > Tesco 'No' > Bulls > Back to Odsal and the rest is history as they say.

Thanks for the pat on the head.  Don't know why I bother but here's a link for you in case it's classed as one of those myths by blinkered fans...

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/latest-news/inquiry-call-halts-stadium-scheme-1-2402198


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2 hours ago, Konkrete said:

I know it's only probably for the thousandth time but.... Tesco > 'Yes' > Bulls > VP> Morrisons 'No'> Stephen Byers 'Inquiry' > Tesco 'No' > Bulls > Back to Odsal and the rest is history as they say.

Thanks for the pat on the head.  Don't know why I bother but here's a link for you in case it's classed as one of those myths by blinkered fans...

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/latest-news/inquiry-call-halts-stadium-scheme-1-2402198

So what. Have you evidence that the process was legally flawed or that their was some corruption? If not then a decision was made, albeit it one that you don't like. Are you suggesting that the planning process should have been subverted to reach the "correct" result, in your eyes anyway. 

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3 hours ago, Hemi4561 said:

So what. Have you evidence that the process was legally flawed or that their was some corruption? If not then a decision was made, albeit it one that you don't like. Are you suggesting that the planning process should have been subverted to reach the "correct" result, in your eyes anyway. 

After 20 draft polite replies I’ve come up with this...

‘Thick as mince‘

When all said and done it cuts to the chase when you’ve wasted my time in trying to explain why your post is utter nonsense in the context to my reply to the original post. You’re not called Boris are you, or perhaps from Halifax?

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