3 Aug: SL: Catalans Dragons v Warrington Wolves (Merged Threads)

[GUBRATS]

2 minutes ago, redjonn said:

I thought Hill was mentioning that is parent/parents were up in the crowd were the trouble was.... eventually he followed Gigot example 

Problem was that he was so wound up with the action on the pitch and was clearly looking for a bust up that it seemed he wanted to get into the crowd... thinking he would be looking after his parents.

No matter how many times the ref said it would not help, he clearly was wound up enough to want to get in... and have fight with anyone whom came in his way...

I'd say Chris was more angry that after the players causing all the trouble between them , and seeing it then migrate into the stand that Edwards still wanted more 

[Dave T]

2 minutes ago, getdownmonkeyman said:

No excuse for the consequences. But, don’t you find it odd both Hill and Gigot feel compelled to approach/placate the crowd?

 

But that has nowt to do with the ref. Hill doesn't need to get involved. It looked relatively modest crowd trouble that would soon be sorted tbh. We've seen it before and will see it again. 

I understand Hill's anxiety about his family being in there, but I have never seen a player react like that.

Unfortunately the players were too dumb to realise that their actions were keeping the farce and chaos going.

Also on Hill, one minute he is worried about his family, but the next he is more distracted with Kenny Edwards. I find that odd, I've defended him time and again, but he shouldn't be anywhere near our captaincy.

[Phil]

I was a ref for many years. Standards have dropped, the on report system is a joke, refs calling players by their names instead of their numbers. Failure to take dissenting players back 10 metres. 

Modern refs seem to want to be the player’s friends, they’re not, they need to be El Presidente 

Today we saw a culmination of these and other factors 

[getdownmonkeyman]

Top and bottom; the game is poorer for it.

[dixiedean]

Mamo got red after game according to BBC. Dunno if that is 2 yellows, but seems to imply not

[barnyia]

19 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:

I think Barnyia takes his kids into Puig Aubert so he’ll give us the truth.

Wasn't there I'm on my hols 

[bobbruce]

4 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

 

Well done lads you’ve really done your town proud. Sadly a few involved in that will wear this video and any punishment as a badge of honour. 

[getdownmonkeyman]

2 minutes ago, Dave T said:

But that has nowt to do with the ref. Hill doesn't need to get involved. It looked relatively modest crowd trouble that would soon be sorted tbh. We've seen it before and will see it again. 

I understand Hill's anxiety about his family being in there, but I have never seen a player react like that.

Unfortunately the players were too dumb to realise that their actions were keeping the farce and chaos going.

Also on Hill, one minute he is worried about his family, but the next he is more distracted with Kenny Edwards. I find that odd, I've defended him time and again, but he shouldn't be anywhere near our captaincy.

Eh?

The game has descended into a #######how?

I am at a loss as to how you think the referring hasn’t impacted the situation.

 

 

[bobbruce]

2 minutes ago, barnyia said:

Wasn't there I'm on my hols 

You didn’t miss much. 

[Lowdesert]

2 minutes ago, barnyia said:

Wasn't there I'm on my hols 

Well that’s the truth mate.

[ELBOWSEYE]

3 minutes ago, Dave T said:

 

I understand Hill's anxiety about his family being in there, but I have never seen a player react like that.

Unfortunately the players were too dumb to realise that their actions were keeping the farce and chaos going.

Also on Hill, one minute he is worried about his family, but the next he is more distracted with Kenny Edwards. I find that odd, I've defended him time and again, but he shouldn't be anywhere near our captaincy.

Short memory dave, Salford players at Huddersfield a couple of seasons ago got involved with fans over family members. And the incident with Kenny Edwards is clearly showing  that he was wanting to cause trouble way after the players had stopped and he was clearly trying to reignite the trouble so I could understand the Hill comment. 

[redjonn]

2 minutes ago, getdownmonkeyman said:

Eh?

The game has descended into a #######how?

I am at a loss as to how you think the referring hasn’t impacted the situation.

 

 

maybe but for me it is the players that carry the "biggest burden" for what happened... on the pitch and subsequently else where.

[Dave T]

5 minutes ago, getdownmonkeyman said:

Eh?

The game has descended into a #######how?

I am at a loss as to how you think the referring hasn’t impacted the situation.

 

 

Is that the first time you have seen a bad reffing performance? 

We see a fair few it is fair to say. Those games dont all descend into farce.

I've already acknowledged the ref was poor, but it doesn't automatically lead to what we saw. That isnt the natural progression.

[ELBOWSEYE]

2 minutes ago, redjonn said:

maybe but for me it is the players that carry the "biggest burden" for what happened... on the pitch and subsequently else where.

Both , when I played you could easily fall over the edge if the wrong things happen,  bad feeling between players , big noisy crowd ,ref not controlling game . 

[Spidey]

Just now, Dave T said:

Is that the first time you have seen a bad reffing performance? 

We see a fair few it is fair to say. Those games dont all descend into farce.

I've already acknowledged the ref was poor, but it doesn't automatically lead to what we saw. That isnt the natural progression.

Yep. It seems easier to blame the referee than acknowledge your own teams problems. 

Referees can have poor games, but it’s up to the players how they respond. 

[Tiger Wolf]

Well unfortunately todays game will be remembered for scenes on and off the pitch.

Warrington probably lost the game with the poor tackle discipline with Patton and Philbin rightly being penalised at least 5 between them.  Yet Childs let Catalan get away with the bullying and late flopping techniques in the tackle which frustrated Warrington

We dont know what started the pathetic scenes at fhe end off the pitch.  We dont need that anywhere nevermind in the game. I.mo. the French broacast company dont do a great tv production  and I dont think the crowd trouble should have been shown live.  Use it for any investigation by the RFL or authorities.

I know many clubs have an element of trouble although never seen any on my trips to the south of France.

I expect both clubs to face some punishment for the trouble.  I do have a slight fear for Wembley with Saints, Wire and Widnes fans together especially a day drinking.

Warrington should now concentrate on the weeks ahead, I just hope Austins injury isnt that bad and that any of our players dont get cited.

Not a good day all around for the publicity of the sport though.

 

 

[Dave T]

7 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

Short memory dave, Salford players at Huddersfield a couple of seasons ago got involved with fans over family members. And the incident with Kenny Edwards is clearly showing  that he was wanting to cause trouble way after the players had stopped and he was clearly trying to reignite the trouble so I could understand the Hill comment. 

Not short memory, just havent seen the Salford one in detail. I thought that one was after the game when the players were over to the crowd and it got heated, not when the game was on.

I think you misunderstood my point about Hill though.

One minute all Hill cares about was the trouble in the crowd and protecting his family. 

He soon moves on to being angry about Edward's and has lost focus on being concerned about the crowd. 

And I think Edward's should have been red carded and should absolutely be banned. Even his own skipper was ready for fighting with him.

[daz39]

37 minutes ago, DimmestStar said:

Anyone who has been in the away end at Catalans will know there is a boxed area at he top full of Catalans fans. The Catalans fans in that area like to lean out and taunt away fans. More than once I have seen away fans clambering up but tonight the Warrington fans made it to the top and fighting broke out.

This followed a prolonged mass brawl on the pitch in which I think 4 players were red carded. mcIllorom & Tomkins plus a couple of Warrington players.

When the players noticed the crowd violence it looked like they were going to go into the crowd to intervene but Childs just about managed to stop them.

Totally disgraceful scenes both on the pitch and in the stand.

I've been in that stand at the top many times and never witnessed anything like that, more the opposite of shaking hands and friendliness etc.

[ELBOWSEYE]

Just now, Spidey said:

Yep. It seems easier to blame the referee than acknowledge your own teams problems. 

Referees can have poor games, but it’s up to the players how they respond. 

You are right but you should not ignore all sections involved from players, officials, fans, stadium officials. The fan behaviour has been coming for a while, ( and I include Warrington fans) too much drink I  am reading other clubs fans comments, some who cant wait to put the boot in but its happening to certain levels at quite a few clubs.

[Odsal Outlaw]

Disgraceful scenes in the stands, the RFL need to come down very heavy on the clubs for that.

But on the pitch - it was nice to see the biff back!!!

[YCKonstantine]

23 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

 

You missed the one where she said "dirty foreign cu..s".

Which is hilarious seeing as she is the foreigner in that situation, but oh well.

[YCKonstantine]

Why was Chris Hills family in there with Catalans fans?

[redjonn]

2 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

Both , when I played you could easily fall over the edge if the wrong things happen,  bad feeling between players , big noisy crowd ,ref not controlling game . 

personally I didn't think the ref had a that bad a game. Their was the normal few mistakes that could be picked up on the replays plus as I commented before he calmly, methodically and with patience handled the heated situations plus penalised players for speaking out of turn.   

The last ugly instance, he immediately blow the whistle for the high tackle and the touch judges came on... he clearly indicated a high tackle and was ready to punish the player,,,,,, what else was he supposed to do tackle the players looking for a fight... 

[Dave T]

Just now, ELBOWSEYE said:

You are right but you should not ignore all sections involved from players, officials, fans, stadium officials. The fan behaviour has been coming for a while, ( and I include Warrington fans) too much drink I  am reading other clubs fans comments, some who cant wait to put the boot in but its happening to certain levels at quite a few clubs.

Anyone who has attended any of the recent Grand Finals will know that this kind of thing aint that uncommon.

It will be interesting to see what comes out of it, whatbis the layout of that part of the ground - will those Wire fans have been fighting with themselves or is that hospitality where somebody was threatening to throw the chair from? Or is it just the normal concourse?

[Hvy wg]

A guy has been sent to the ER as a consequence of the fight.