3 Aug: SL: Catalans Dragons v Warrington Wolves (Merged Threads)

[ELBOWSEYE]

53 minutes ago, Jim Prendle said:

Oh, OK, we'll just take them round the back and shoot them then.

The retards I saw attempting to get into that area behind the stand were Warrington fans. You really need to accept that, and stop defending the idefensible.

Were have I defended Warrington fans, I  regularly complain about fellow Warrington fans,  but footage shows both fans involved and both clubs and the stadium stewards have responsibility as do the players of both teams because that would not have happened without the end of the game incidents. I always try to be balanced but some on here cant wait for an opportunity to put the boot in certain clubs.

[Jim Prendle]

15 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

Were have I defended Warrington fans, I  regularly complain about fellow Warrington fans,  but footage shows both fans involved and both clubs and the stadium stewards have responsibility as do the players of both teams because that would not have happened without the end of the game incidents. I always try to be balanced but some on here cant wait for an opportunity to put the boot in certain clubs.

I'm a Wigan fan so I have more than enough experience of people on here being more than willing to put the boot in.

I've seen hundreds of fights on the pitch, but very rarely do they lead to scenes like that. Blaming the players, the ref and everybody else for those brainless animals is stupid.

[redjonn]

6 minutes ago, Jim Prendle said:

I'm a Wigan fan so I have more than enough experience of people on here being more than willing to put the boot in.

I've seen hundreds of fights on the pitch, but very rarely do they lead to scenes like that. Blaming the players, the ref and everybody else for those brainless animals is stupid.

I agree with regard to the fans....

Never-the-less we shouldn't allow our indignation for the fans behaviour to deflect or allow us to lose sight from the disgraceful players behaviour...

[The Lad]

4 hours ago, Phil said:

This is absolute nonsense, I refereed up to international standard without ever playing above Pennine league level 

Exactly, so saying that rugby players have to train as a ref and ref a game before they talk to a ref is equally nonsense. 

[Loiner]

9 hours ago, Celt said:

Absolutely. If it helps at all, one of the most obvious offenders was wearing a scrum cap and purporting to be the team captain. 

Warrington RLFC should definitely start with him. An utter outrage of a man.

I have said for the last few years Chris hill is a dirty cheapshot merchant. An utter txxt who is a disgrace as a captain.

[ELBOWSEYE]

20 minutes ago, Jim Prendle said:

I'm a Wigan fan so I have more than enough experience of people on here being more than willing to put the boot in.

I've seen hundreds of fights on the pitch, but very rarely do they lead to scenes like that. Blaming the players, the ref and everybody else for those brainless animals is stupid.

So were in your reply shows were I defended Warrington fans.?

[Phil]

22 minutes ago, The Lad said:

Exactly, so saying that rugby players have to train as a ref and ref a game before they talk to a ref is equally nonsense. 

I agree 

[Lowdesert]

26 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I have said for the last few years Chris hill is a dirty cheapshot merchant. An utter txxt who is a disgrace as a captain.

No strong views then?

[getdownmonkeyman]

Anyone looking to apportion individual blame is missing the far bigger issue.

[Lowdesert]

7 minutes ago, getdownmonkeyman said:

Anyone looking to apportion individual blame is missing the far bigger issue.

Go on then.

[getdownmonkeyman]

3 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:

Go on then.

It was the players fault. It was Warrington fans. it was Catalans fans. It was the referee.

The elephant in the room, is the tired notion that RL is above other societal issues/sport that the game doesn't have an issue with booze.

We seem to put ourselves on a pedestal, way above football for example that boozing at the game is okay.

[Loiner]

6 hours ago, redjonn said:

mmmm

sorry your honour but it was the Police fault... if they had done a better job and had an officer outside the house I would never have burgled it...

Probably South Yorkshire police it's always there fault.

[Dave T]

19 minutes ago, getdownmonkeyman said:

It was the players fault. It was Warrington fans. it was Catalans fans. It was the referee.

The elephant in the room, is the tired notion that RL is above other societal issues/sport that the game doesn't have an issue with booze.

We seem to put ourselves on a pedestal, way above football for example that boozing at the game is okay.

This I will agree with, and I've been banging this drum for a while. 

[ELBOWSEYE]

1 minute ago, Dave T said:

This I will agree with, and I've been banging this drum for a while. 

Your not on your own dave with that view, its fuelling bad behaviour. Yes its a society problem but when it happens in grounds it an rugby problem.

[GUBRATS]

6 hours ago, Lounge Room Lizard said:

This is just sadly a blown up scale of what happens both in and outside the grounds at many games. A few idiots at all clubs go looking for "Action" and are happy to be violent with or without alcohol as an excuse. A lad I know, Dave Singer, was left in a paralysed state and will never recover properly after being hit by a Featherstone fan for no reason. There are one or two idiots at all clubs including Championship Clubs that go looking for trouble. Sadly the game (RFL, Clubs, and Stewards often have ignored such incidents) and little has been done to find a solution to such incidents. I have read on here other posters having issues with others at Big Games regarding behaviour. Is Alcohol really the problem? Do we need segregation at games? What does the game as a whole , not just the two clubs need to do to stop such things happening again?

The players need to behave 

[Dave T]

1 minute ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

Your not on your own dave with that view, its fuelling bad behaviour. Yes its a society problem but when it happens in grounds it an rugby problem.

Absolutely. As I said earlier, we usually dismiss this (and we have seen some really bad stuff over the years) as 'not real fans' or 'football fans infiltrating our support' or whatever, refusing to take responsibility. 

As a starter for 10 things like segregation, increased security etc. and maybe banning 2 pinters etc are a starting point. Maybe the bars should close at kick off.

[Loiner]

47 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:

No strong views then?

Just being honest.

[GUBRATS]

3 hours ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

Life time bans ,people get round them ,some fans were banned for smoke bombs but get other people to get tickets.  But glad you are balanced again  only Warrington fans, when footage clearly shows fans from both clubs. But hey lets resprt to type and kick Warrington. 

Were the Catalan fans climbing down into the Warrington seated area ?

[GUBRATS]

2 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

He's not saying they're not Warrington fans. He's saying that it wasn't only Warrington fans that caused issues.

I find it hard to believe that they began climbing up there for no reason. I can't imagine the French banter or insults being understood by many/any of the English followers down there. Something must have set them off, and I reports of something being thrown from there make sense.

So most likely beer , doubtful it would be anything else , on the coverage you can clearly see a yellow chair seat/back thrown from the Wire fans towards the raised area , but it just lands among the Warrington fans 

So did those Wire fans think climbing up into that area would diffuse things ?

[ELBOWSEYE]

1 minute ago, GUBRATS said:

Were the Catalan fans climbing down into the Warrington seated area ?

There are multiple videos that have been uploaded showing lots of shouting some showing Warrington fans trying to get up, some showing people throwng punches some throwing bottles up and down. Some on here need to stop jumping on everyone who tries to show a balanced view rather than the one they prefer to push. I am not a one eyed wire fan I always try to be balanced and in the season have problems with my own fans far more than opposition fans .

[GUBRATS]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

I have said for the last few years Chris hill is a dirty cheapshot merchant. An utter txxt who is a disgrace as a captain.

He was fine for several years at Leigh 

[Exiled Wiganer]

47 minutes ago, getdownmonkeyman said:

It was the players fault. It was Warrington fans. it was Catalans fans. It was the referee.

The elephant in the room, is the tired notion that RL is above other societal issues/sport that the game doesn't have an issue with booze.

We seem to put ourselves on a pedestal, way above football for example that boozing at the game is okay.

Are you saying that no one is to blame because we live in an environment in which misbehaviour is always likely to occur? Out of interest, do you normally apply this test, or have you been somewhat quicker to blame other clubs and their fans for misdemeanours? 

It will be easy to work out which players are to blame - the disciplinary committee will be able to judge that in the next 48 hours. As for the fans, there will be an enquiry, which looks like it will have a lot of evidence to consider. And then the RFL or SL has to apportion blame, as it seems ready to do. 

I would add both coaches to the list and am prepared to blame them for their crass efforts to link the on and off pitch violence to the referee’s actions. 

[Dave T]

14 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Were the Catalan fans climbing down into the Warrington seated area ?

It is easy to find a video of somebody using a chair from the balcony to hit people below.

I dont k ow who was holding the chair.

[ivans82]

Easiest thing to do as far as the players goes is to give an automatic one game ban to anyone who rushes in to join an incident , might mean Teams having to field a lot of fringe players next time up , but if they haven`t the brains to not get involved , tough . 

[GUBRATS]

Just now, Dave T said:

It is easy to find a video of somebody using a chair from the balcony to hit people below.

I dont k ow who was holding the chair.

I have no doubt that the Catalans corporate aren't squeaky clean here Dave , but if there were fans trying to climb up to me in a menacing way ( what do you think they were intending to do if and when they did get up there ? ) I'd be using a stool to push them back 

It's a mess , as I put right at the start , the away fans shouldn't be anywhere near the Cats fans for me , they could easily put them in the 3 stands facing the cameras