Mister C Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 37 minutes ago, bobbruce said: My understanding is it doesn’t have to pitch in line but it can’t be lbw if it pitches leg side. Unless as you say the batsman isn’t playing a shot. if it hits you outside the line of off stump and you are playing a shot its not out, even if hitting the stumps if you don't play a shot it just needs to be hitting the stumps on the leg side if it pitches outside the line of leg stump you cannot be given out LBW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonM Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 14 hours ago, gingerjon said: In part, because he was always the answer and England bowled him into the ground. In fairness, he's 37. Most fast bowlers would have been retired for several years by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiggins Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, bobbruce said: My understanding is it doesn’t have to pitch in line but it can’t be lbw if it pitches leg side. Unless as you say the batsman isn’t playing a shot. That’s right. If it pitches outside leg, then you can’t be out lbw. If the ball pitches in line, or outside off, and hits the batsman in line and is hitting the stumps, then it’s out. Only difference not playing a shot makes is that impact can be outside the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, JonM said: In fairness, he's 37. Most fast bowlers would have been retired for several years by now. Yes. It's rather amazing he's carried on at all. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 hours ago, phiggins said: I don't think Curran is a good enough bowler to be first change. If he plays instead of Woakes, then that will just increase the workload on Archer. The like for like replacement for Woakes, if he is injured, would be Roland-Jones. Denly should open, with Roy moving down to three or four. Roy has batted one innings at three, and scored a run a ball 70. I like the Curran boys but I agree Sam is not a first change with his lack of pace and needing it to swing to have a threat ( by the way I thought we picked these balls to swing - they’ve done virtually nowt ? ) . I can see him in though as a fourth bowler and bat down the line . Surrey seem to be trying to turn him into a batting all rounder without much success yet . Interesting mentioning Toblerone Jones . Did really well then got crocked so I wonder if he’s on the radar with bowlers dropping like flies . If Jofra goes down that’s it shake hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, DavidM said: Toblerone Jones Brilliant. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, gingerjon said: Unsurprisingly, Steve Smith is ruled out of the next Test. I really want to like this post but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, GeordieSaint said: I really want to like this post but... Lot of reaction already that this test is in the bag .... which is rather dangerous ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, DavidM said: Lot of reaction already that this test is in the bag .... which is rather dangerous ! Absolutely... But Smith has been the difference so far. I did think his replacement played exceptionally well but can he play like that again with less pressure/more time to think about the role... I also expect Root to fire on his own ground. Very interesting Test match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 hours ago, gingerjon said: Unsurprisingly, Steve Smith is ruled out of the next Test. Just for interest, here's a one-page infographic on handling concussion, especially in sport. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE RED ROOSTER Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 10 hours ago, phiggins said: I don't think Curran is a good enough bowler to be first change. If he plays instead of Woakes, then that will just increase the workload on Archer. The like for like replacement for Woakes, if he is injured, would be Roland-Jones. Denly should open, with Roy moving down to three or four. Roy has batted one innings at three, and scored a run a ball 70. He would be fourth seamer, as i suspect Stokes would come on first change, buthe does swing the ball and adds Left arm variety - probably long term a better batsman, and in addition is what they call a "golden arm" i.e he can send down an absolute pie and get a wicket - Just ask William Porterfield. The only concern would be leaking runs if he was being used as a stock bowler. which would impact on Archer as you say simply because you cannot create pressure on a batter if runs are coming freely at the other end. Rumblings out of the England camp about "resting" Woakes today, I suspect his knee is playing up and with back to back tests, as was proved at Edgbaston, you cannot have someone puling up lame once the game has begun. He was very sparingly used in conditions that should have been helpful. 9 hours ago, bobbruce said: My understanding is it doesn’t have to pitch in line but it can’t be lbw if it pitches leg side. Unless as you say the batsman isn’t playing a shot. My bad because my response is not that clear, the original question referred to a decision pitching outside off-stump and the poster was a bit confused as to why this was not given out. when the pitch map came on TV. As you say, if had pitched outside leg then this would not have been an issue nor if, in the opinion of the umpire, he had not been playing a shot Quote When the pinch comes the common people will turn out to be more intelligent than the clever ones. I certainly hope so. George Orwell You either own NFTs or women’s phone numbers but not both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_merged Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 11 hours ago, DavidM said: Lot of reaction already that this test is in the bag .... which is rather dangerous ! He is probably the only point of difference in the side Both batting line ups have fragile players who are subject to collapses for not much. They all have players that can get runs - but are inconsistent The bowlers are both good - with the English side able to generally make better use of the conditions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiggins Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 12 hours ago, THE RED ROOSTER said: He would be fourth seamer, as i suspect Stokes would come on first change, buthe does swing the ball and adds Left arm variety - probably long term a better batsman, and in addition is what they call a "golden arm" i.e he can send down an absolute pie and get a wicket - Just ask William Porterfield. The only concern would be leaking runs if he was being used as a stock bowler. which would impact on Archer as you say simply because you cannot create pressure on a batter if runs are coming freely at the other end. Rumblings out of the England camp about "resting" Woakes today, I suspect his knee is playing up and with back to back tests, as was proved at Edgbaston, you cannot have someone puling up lame once the game has begun. He was very sparingly used in conditions that should have been helpful. My bad because my response is not that clear, the original question referred to a decision pitching outside off-stump and the poster was a bit confused as to why this was not given out. when the pitch map came on TV. As you say, if had pitched outside leg then this would not have been an issue nor if, in the opinion of the umpire, he had not been playing a shot Trouble with that approach is that Stokes is not a first change bowler either. In fact, I can see him bowling less and less over the next year or so, and batting in the top 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Pope in as cover for Roy . I think this kid will be in sooner rather than later and for quite a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiggins Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Would be difficult to argue that Pope isn't one of the 7 best batsmen we have. Wouldn't be surprised to see him come in for Denly, with Stokes batting at 4, Pope 5 and Buttler 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 On 20/08/2019 at 13:31, DavidM said: Lot of reaction already that this test is in the bag .... which is rather dangerous ! Headingley usually produces a result - providing the weather co-operates “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Headingley usually produces a result - providing the weather co-operates I made no comment here that we would have five days of good weather. None. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE RED ROOSTER Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 10 hours ago, phiggins said: Trouble with that approach is that Stokes is not a first change bowler either. In fact, I can see him bowling less and less over the next year or so, and batting in the top 4 That may be true but Stokes does bowl a "heavy" ball as they say in the trade so If Archer does need a backup paceman that's where Stokes comes in to rough up the opposition. Not Ideal for a no 5 Batsman but with Wood and Stone unavailable no other option either. Quote When the pinch comes the common people will turn out to be more intelligent than the clever ones. I certainly hope so. George Orwell You either own NFTs or women’s phone numbers but not both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 If you win the toss this morning would forum members bat or bowl. Think I’d have a bowl with the cloud cover get archer on fresh while he’s still in the Aussie batsmen’s thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Not sure about the vagaries of the forecast but I’m usually a win toss and bat person and control the game from there . Especially with pitches seemingly drier and drier now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 If you win the toss this morning would forum members bat or bowl. Think I’d have a bowl with the cloud cover get archer on fresh while he’s still in the Aussie batsmen’s thoughts. England seem to have followed your view. I always remember an interview I saw on telly with an Aussie (I think it was Steve Waugh) who said "if in doubt, bat. If you're sure you want to bowl, bat . If you're still not convinced because of conditions that you should bat then tell people to stop complaining and bat. If all else fails, give the bowlers something to keep them occupied in the dressing room and bat anyway." "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 England seem to have followed your view. I always remember an interview I saw on telly with an Aussie (I think it was Steve Waugh) who said "if in doubt, bat. If you're sure you want to bowl, bat . If you're still not convinced because of conditions that you should bat then tell people to stop complaining and bat. If all else fails, give the bowlers something to keep them occupied in the dressing room and bat anyway." Yeah it’s a gamble but they need the win I think they’ll fancy getting them out cheap with cloud cover. Not sure they expected rain though here’s hoping the rain doesn’t hang on until the cloud cover clears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I didn’t see any rain on my forecast till this morning ! It still isn’t on the radar on my app thingy . Very irritating . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Now THAT was a perfect delivery. And then the rain comes back. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Eeeee, Yarksher summer. I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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