Davo5 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 9 hours ago, ckn said: Root needs to be allowed to be just England’s best batsman, he’s not a captain at heart regardless of how hard he tries at it. Unfortunately, he doesn’t have anyone supporting him in his decisions on field now and no natural successor who’s guaranteed to be picked based on their current form, proven physical resilience and any hint that they could even lead a hungry dog to a bowl of food. Always felt he's been a reluctant captain and it's certainly having a detrimental effect on his batting,saying that he's been badly let down by his batsmen who don't seem to have the bottle to stand there and battle in the face of good test bowling,they should maybe look at the examples of Overton & Leach yesterday who hung around for over 3 hours between them with most of the Aussie fielders around the bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiggins Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 10 hours ago, Trevorkfevfan said: I agree with what ckn is saying. However, I think part of the fault for all this is the way England chop and change squads between the different forms of cricket. You need a squad to spend time playing together and this should include all forms. This summer we have seen three different England squads! Yes, there are the odd specialists but if you can play cricket you can play any of the different forms. I even recall a certain Mr Boycott hammering it to all quarters in what was then the Gillette Cup! 5 of the top 7 are from the one day team. Need to go the other way, need more separation between the two forms as they are virtually different sports. Test team needs red ball specialists, not white ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Of course after having been pumped by 185 , despite the usual English platitudes about what a great fight and spirit we showed in defeat , we’ve picked exactly the same players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Interesting article I thought https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27571263/england-not-good-think-are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, DavidM said: Interesting article I thought https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27571263/england-not-good-think-are Hard to disagree except that I don't like the headline. England players don't know how good they are because, in this format of cricket, they don't play enough of it, they don't train for it, their incomes don't depend it, and they don't get rewarded for it. So how can they know how good they are or how good they might become? Andrew Strauss isn't very bright, hence his tenure as Director of Cricket was woeful, and Ed Smith has the right accent and can use long words. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 stone giant Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Not that I have huge expectations that we'll win at The Oval, but I was just looking and the last drawn series was 1972. I'm quite surprised it hasn't happened more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorkfevfan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 7 hours ago, gingerjon said: Ed Smith has the right accent and can use long words. That's been a problem at Lords for the last century! Cricketing ability seems a long way down the list when seeking their approval. I'm both surprised and disappointed that there have been no changes for the final test. Some players records suggest these are a tad overdue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_merged Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 9 hours ago, DavidM said: Interesting article I thought https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27571263/england-not-good-think-are Seems similar to Australia up to a year or so ago - particularly batters Picking players on potential and what they did in ODI and T20 games. That had a one off success with David Warner (came into test cricket with barely a first class game) - but nearly everyone else has been a failure. If you can't score runs regularly in domestic first class cricket it isn't often that you suddenly start scoring them when you play test matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 8 hours ago, bazza_merged said: Seems similar to Australia up to a year or so ago - particularly batters Picking players on potential and what they did in ODI and T20 games. That had a one off success with David Warner (came into test cricket with barely a first class game) - but nearly everyone else has been a failure. If you can't score runs regularly in domestic first class cricket it isn't often that you suddenly start scoring them when you play test matches Aaron Finch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivans82 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Can`t believe the Aussies are evens to win this last test , thought they would be well odds on , we never win at Lords anyway. Best we can hope for is to win toss , bat first and score 400+ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, ivans82 said: Can`t believe the Aussies are evens to win this last test , thought they would be well odds on , we never win at Lords anyway. Best we can hope for is to win toss , bat first and score 400+ . Like OT winning the toss on the Oval track is huge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 37 minutes ago, ivans82 said: Can`t believe the Aussies are evens to win this last test , thought they would be well odds on , we never win at Lords anyway. Best we can hope for is to win toss , bat first and score 400+ . Lots of daft English folk putting money on England driving the English odds down and Aussie’s up. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorkfevfan Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Wonder if they may beat 0 -2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Trevorkfevfan said: Wonder if they may beat 0 -2? It’s almost as if we start every innings 2 down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiggins Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Roy and Overton dropped for Woakes and Curran, Stokes playing as a specialist batsman. Suspect they've been looking for a chance to get an extra all rounder in all summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 So they admit they got it wrong at OT . That’s a better team for starters , but if we don’t win here there’ll be a reckoning then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_merged Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 On 10/09/2019 at 18:55, DavidM said: Aaron Finch Yep - pretty much Australia's Jason Roy Picked as test opener because he opened in ODIs Didn't actually open the batting in domestic first class matches and surprisingly didn't do a great job as a test match opener Then we can get started on the 'all rounders' that Australia have tried out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Australia seem to have one mind on the plane home this morning. First, bowling when they won the toss having forgotten the rule about always batting, even if you want to bowl. Then the fielding has been abysmal, almost England standard of fielding this morning. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 I thought I’d misheard Paine when he said bowl . I bet you could count the number of times a skipper has decided to bowl at the oval on one hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorkfevfan Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Root is living dangerously! Bound to get a big score now just to rub it in with Cummins especially! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 He needs to go and buy a lottery ticket. He’s been let off more than John Gotti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 That wicket of Stokes was an all-rounder's typical way of getting out, not the way of a number 4 test batsman. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Once again England's batsmen making basic mistakes leading to their dismissals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 If we can’t get a big score on this , and the way they’re going half gas today , we’ll never get a score with these batsmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Must be time to get the ball changed . Usually does the trick . That is one thing I would outlaw - you have a ball , look after it and unless it literally falls apart then tough you stick with it . Totally unfair , if a batsman flays it about or gets it soft he’s earned that advantage .Way to much of this every single innings - unless you’re running through a team and then by total coincidence the ball is fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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