James Child Dropped?

[Blind side johnny]

Well at least the players and clubs have been punished as well, so all's fair and dandy.

[Brigg Rover]

Child always has been completely clueless, should have been dropped long ago. Like most of the modern refs knows all the technicalities but no understanding of the game itself.

 

[mickhornet]

Didn't know refs got punished  for having a bad game.

[M j M]

2 hours ago, mickhornet said:

Didn't know refs got punished  for having a bad game.

You haven't been paying much attention then.

It's common, but totally inappropriate in this instance.

[Blind side johnny]

Very much a side issue but whatever happened to the plans for the development of more top class French referees? There used to be plenty in the bad old days, where are they now?

[Denton Rovers RLFC]

On 07/08/2019 at 12:45, Allora said:

It is worth noting Child was getting plenty of critisism on the Catalan/Wire game thread long before the game blew up into the shambles it turned out.

He comes across as weak and not in control when the ###### hits the Fan IMO and players will take advantage of this in a heated game.

That is also my answer to your other previous question Dunbar on the game thread.

 

All refs come across as weak, that's because of the remit given to them by Ganson/RFL, they are under strict instructions, it's made them come across as inept, weak and not able to control games, this is because they are not enforcing the laws of the game to their full extent for fear or games not 'flowing'. As I've said before, this is the root cause of why games don't flow, players breaking the rules left right and centre and fans and indeed players getting frustrated.

Give refs/officials the power to officiate within the laws of the game and to how they are written and to strictly enforce them throughout no matter how the spectacle seems would in fact clean the game up massively and as a consequence reduce head/neck and lower limb injuries.

You need not reduce the physicality, only play the sport in the manner it is meant to be and with a responsibility from both attack/defence.

The RFL should have an extraordinary meeting and lay down now how next season is going to be officiated across the board at all levels incl international(via the RLIF, this is of the utmost importance and IF it had been in place games like Saturday would have been utterly different in what occurred barring the result.

[LeeF]

9 hours ago, SL17 said:

 Question? Did Child have the power to take both teams off? What has the match commissioner reported?

The ref could have taken both teams off or even abandon the match but it was a long way from from that

[Denton Rovers RLFC]

20 hours ago, SL17 said:

 Question? Did Child have the power to take both teams off? What has the match commissioner reported?

He did but the fall-out from abandoning the match would have been massively greater for both him and indeed the sport and not in a good way. It's pretty clear that Ganson/RFL aren't fit for purpose and not just with regard to the officials/enforcement of the laws of the game. There are enough officials on the field, they just need someone who understands how to manage human beings, how to use the laws and punishments to make them adhere to same, until those changes happen then the sport will continue in the same vein and we will continue to have garbage like what we had on Saturday and all sorts of other stuff that goes on every week which detracts from the sport hugely.

it's not as if the officials haven't done this before so we're not asking them to do anything extraordinary!

[Denton Rovers RLFC]

Double post

[Keith Nutter]

On 08/08/2019 at 21:50, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

All refs come across as weak, that's because of the remit given to them by Ganson/RFL, they are under strict instructions, it's made them come across as inept, weak and not able to control games, this is because they are not enforcing the laws of the game to their full extent for fear or games not 'flowing'. As I've said before, this is the root cause of why games don't flow, players breaking the rules left right and centre and fans and indeed players getting frustrated.

Give refs/officials the power to officiate within the laws of the game and to how they are written and to strictly enforce them throughout no matter how the spectacle seems would in fact clean the game up massively and as a consequence reduce head/neck and lower limb injuries.

You need not reduce the physicality, only play the sport in the manner it is meant to be and with a responsibility from both attack/defence.

The RFL should have an extraordinary meeting and lay down now how next season is going to be officiated across the board at all levels incl international(via the RLIF, this is of the utmost importance and IF it had been in place games like Saturday would have been utterly different in what occurred barring the result.

 

Couldn't agree more - some very simple things would improve the sport and the referees control.

1 - Stop calling players "mate" and by their name.  No need to be so pally pally with them.

2 - Only captains to (respectfully) talk to the referee about incidents.  Anybody else does it - yellow card.

3 - Stop coaching (eg bind in the scrum, get back the ten, etc).  Simply penalise them when they don't do it.  It will soon stop happening.

The referees job isn't to make the game flow, that is entirely up to the players and coaches who are currently becoming grubbier and grubbier.

[Denton Rovers RLFC]

3 hours ago, Keith Nutter said:

 

Couldn't agree more - some very simple things would improve the sport and the referees control.

1 - Stop calling players "mate" and by their name.  No need to be so pally pally with them.

2 - Only captains to (respectfully) talk to the referee about incidents.  Anybody else does it - yellow card.

3 - Stop coaching (eg bind in the scrum, get back the ten, etc).  Simply penalise them when they don't do it.  It will soon stop happening.

The referees job isn't to make the game flow, that is entirely up to the players and coaches who are currently becoming grubbier and grubbier.

Yup, said it many times, coaching by refs and bending (pretty much ignoring) the rules to allow a certain flow to a game ends up being the root cause of the game not flowing, descending into rule breaking, chaos and worse what we saw a week ago. That we can see from history how this works and understanding how human behave (which are entirely predictable) is damning to how Ganson/RFL are utterly out of their depth and IMO bringing the game into disrepute through their failures/not being fit for purpose.

[Dunbar]

I agree in principle with the last several posts.  I think the game has reached a point where the referees have an almost impossible task... we have a consensus in the sport that we will universally ignore some of the key laws of the game (the scrum, play the ball etc) while all the time putting the onus on the ref to referee in the modern 'interpretation' and then we have the temerity to ask for consistency in decision making. 

What I don't agree with is finding fault with the referees in getting us to this position.  Where we are today is the result of a gradual evolution and it is players, coaches, administrators and even us fans to blame as we demand some of the laws are ignored as we crave a faster and faster game.

The referees are innocent parties in this and actually they are in the hardest position because if they penalise a piece of illegal play actually written in the laws of the game we rip them to shreds. I am sure the referees would love a chance to actually referee a game as it is written down in the laws for a change. 

I wish we could press a reset button and go back 25 years in how the game is played... not because of rose tinted glasses, just that we could perhaps not make the same mistakes again.