paulwalker71 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Chris22 said: If a combined 20,000 extra Saints and neutral fans attended compared to last year, we get 70,000 Only if those 5000 Catalans turn up as well If St Helens bring 20K, its more like 65K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev p Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 On 29/07/2019 at 22:41, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: When you have around 20,000 seats going unsold, how are the tickets too cheap? On 02/08/2019 at 19:46, Manx RL said: Train ticket included? 14 hours ago, roughyedspud said: 70k+ And sorry to be a pedant but it's lower tier 34,303, middle tier 16,532 and top tier 39,165. So I’m not a million miles out, 2 lower tiers 50,000 or 50,835 to be exact! But total sold close to what said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev p Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 10 hours ago, Wiltshire Warrior Dragon said: Interesting thought, PW71. Personally, if I was in Rimmer's position and the crowd was a mere 65k, I would demand a bond from Saints next year! It’s the Warrington end still short of sales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev p Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 Majority of supporters are once a year merchants (maybe 2 if grand final included), however rfl should be pushing the event from day on. Discounted tickets early not late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintspete83 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I think 70k would be good. No doubt Ralf and Co would have put the cue on the rack as soon as saints and Wire made it to the final. For me a massive issue is the time of year. 1. Rail issues every year 2. Bank Holiday in London is more expensive for hotels and travel. 3. Its in the summer holidays. (I missed the last saints appearence in 08 as I was in mallorca, my brother will miss this year due to an overseas holiday) 4. It's to close to the grand final. 5. it clashes with both creamfields festival that is held in Warrington and attracts 70k per day and Leeds Festival that also attracts 70k ish per day (again I have like others picked this festival over arranged cup final trips) 6. Another issue is that the semis are to close to the final. We have an 8 week gap between the quarters and semis but then give ourselves 4 weeks from the semis to the final. Bonkers. 7. Unlike May August is out of term time at school so the potential to possibly sell it as a school trip is out of the question. Personally I think there's nothing wrong with cup games at the beginning of the season. Hopefully the change to July will improve things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintspete83 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 hour ago, kev p said: Majority of supporters are once a year merchants (maybe 2 if grand final included), however rfl should be pushing the event from day on. Discounted tickets early not late. My idea would be to offer any seat in the stadium for £25-30 (ish) for 2 months after each final and have a countdown marketing campaign for them 2 months. Then after that no deals under any circumstances. Reward early buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plow Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 8 hours ago, saintspete83 said: I think 70k would be good. No doubt Ralf and Co would have put the cue on the rack as soon as saints and Wire made it to the final. For me a massive issue is the time of year. 1. Rail issues every year 2. Bank Holiday in London is more expensive for hotels and travel. 3. Its in the summer holidays. (I missed the last saints appearence in 08 as I was in mallorca, my brother will miss this year due to an overseas holiday) 4. It's to close to the grand final. 5. it clashes with both creamfields festival that is held in Warrington and attracts 70k per day and Leeds Festival that also attracts 70k ish per day (again I have like others picked this festival over arranged cup final trips) 6. Another issue is that the semis are to close to the final. We have an 8 week gap between the quarters and semis but then give ourselves 4 weeks from the semis to the final. Bonkers. 7. Unlike May August is out of term time at school so the potential to possibly sell it as a school trip is out of the question. Personally I think there's nothing wrong with cup games at the beginning of the season. Hopefully the change to July will improve things. You’ve hit the nail on the hard there. August bank holiday is the worst time to have the final. Anything below 70K is a failure IMO. Will be interesting to see what happens with the 1895 Cup, you’d expect to see more people coming into the ground at the end of the CC final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 A 70k crowd would mean selling pretty much every seat currently available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odsal Outlaw Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 July next year will be better but I get the impression that move wasn’t actually RFL driven, I think it was Wembley led due to the football? Hopefully it’s a roaring success and we stay earlier. Bank Holiday isn’t ideal at all (altho I will be attending!) Nottingham Outlaws Rugby League Harry Jepson Winners 2008 RLC Midlands Premier Champions 2006 & 2008 East Midlands Challenge Cup Winners 2005, 2006, 2007 & 2008 Rotterdam International 9's Cup Winners 2005 RLC North Midlands Champions 2003 & 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul hicks Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 18 hours ago, fighting irish said: If you can't afford to do it you can't, but we've got 100 odd years of not even trying to bring in new customers. How much have you spent in your lifetime on Rugby League? I must have spent hundreds, possibly thousands of pounds. If it costs us £100 to get a new customer and he spends £500 in his lifetime, that's a profit. If he also involves his family you get another £500 for each additional one of them. indeed I have spent I would guess tens of thousands following the game . the fact is though I had to have the money to spend as I would certainly not have gone into debt for it and I would not expect the RFL to go into debt in the hope that in 20 years time they may get there money back. the RFL has precious little money these days and personally I would rather spend it on getting more kids into the game than a couple of months of posters in London tube stations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fighting irish Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 hour ago, paul hicks said: indeed I have spent I would guess tens of thousands following the game . the fact is though I had to have the money to spend as I would certainly not have gone into debt for it and I would not expect the RFL to go into debt in the hope that in 20 years time they may get there money back. the RFL has precious little money these days and personally I would rather spend it on getting more kids into the game than a couple of months of posters in London tube stations Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moove Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, TheConductor said: I hate watching the CC now at Wembley with all the empty seats compared to the old CC finals which was a must to watch. You could always try watching the match for the err... rugby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 10/08/2019 at 02:11, saintspete83 said: I think 70k would be good. No doubt Ralf and Co would have put the cue on the rack as soon as saints and Wire made it to the final. For me a massive issue is the time of year. 1. Rail issues every year 2. Bank Holiday in London is more expensive for hotels and travel. 3. Its in the summer holidays. (I missed the last saints appearence in 08 as I was in mallorca, my brother will miss this year due to an overseas holiday) 4. It's to close to the grand final. 5. it clashes with both creamfields festival that is held in Warrington and attracts 70k per day and Leeds Festival that also attracts 70k ish per day (again I have like others picked this festival over arranged cup final trips) 6. Another issue is that the semis are to close to the final. We have an 8 week gap between the quarters and semis but then give ourselves 4 weeks from the semis to the final. Bonkers. 7. Unlike May August is out of term time at school so the potential to possibly sell it as a school trip is out of the question. Personally I think there's nothing wrong with cup games at the beginning of the season. Hopefully the change to July will improve things. All good points. On 6, last year we had a quite ridiculous 20 days between the semi finals and the final, leaving no time whatsoever for Catalans to mobilise their fans. This year they have at least given people an extra week, but it still wouldn't be enough for an overseas team to sort out a big following. I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintspete83 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 43 minutes ago, Just Browny said: All good points. On 6, last year we had a quite ridiculous 20 days between the semi finals and the final, leaving no time whatsoever for Catalans to mobilise their fans. This year they have at least given people an extra week, but it still wouldn't be enough for an overseas team to sort out a big following. Also last year the perpignan based UTC RU side had a sold out promotion game, add to that the point that that period of the year a huge majority of French go on holiday. All these factors plus the time of 3 weeks catalans following was pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul hicks Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 10/08/2019 at 01:11, saintspete83 said: I think 70k would be good. No doubt Ralf and Co would have put the cue on the rack as soon as saints and Wire made it to the final. For me a massive issue is the time of year. 1. Rail issues every year 2. Bank Holiday in London is more expensive for hotels and travel. 3. Its in the summer holidays. (I missed the last saints appearence in 08 as I was in mallorca, my brother will miss this year due to an overseas holiday) 4. It's to close to the grand final. 5. it clashes with both creamfields festival that is held in Warrington and attracts 70k per day and Leeds Festival that also attracts 70k ish per day (again I have like others picked this festival over arranged cup final trips) 6. Another issue is that the semis are to close to the final. We have an 8 week gap between the quarters and semis but then give ourselves 4 weeks from the semis to the final. Bonkers. 7. Unlike May August is out of term time at school so the potential to possibly sell it as a school trip is out of the question. Personally I think there's nothing wrong with cup games at the beginning of the season. Hopefully the change to July will improve things. so the same excuses as always . mind you it did not stop the 2015 final getting 80,000 there did it. or indeed the 76,000 in 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELBOWSEYE Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 2 hours ago, paul hicks said: so the same excuses as always . mind you it did not stop the 2015 final getting 80,000 there did it. or indeed the 76,000 in 2016 Did they actually get those numbers ,I believe the whole of the club wembley seats were included even though they were sparsely occupied. That changed a couple of seasons ago when they are not all counted only the ones actually sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul hicks Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 3 hours ago, ELBOWSEYE said: Did they actually get those numbers ,I believe the whole of the club wembley seats were included even though they were sparsely occupied. That changed a couple of seasons ago when they are not all counted only the ones actually sold. those are the figures in the records so you can only take them as the attendances for those games . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leaguefan13 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 As someone who lives and breaths RL, I have hardly seen any promotion for this year’s final up to now. I always attend England games, so would have thought I may have received a phone call/letter or even email about the game, but no nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx RL Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, leaguefan13 said: As someone who lives and breaths RL, I have hardly seen any promotion for this year’s final up to now. I always attend England games, so would have thought I may have received a phone call/letter or even email about the game, but no nothing. Have you recently opted in to receive marketing and promotions from the RFL? GDPR rules have played havoc with many organizations that relied on customer lists without explicit opting in to receiving marketing communications. - Adepto Successu Per Tributum Fuga - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev p Posted August 11, 2019 Author Share Posted August 11, 2019 How many years are the rl contracted to playing At Wembley? Wembley does not have the wow factor now. If the game needs to be played in London there are 3 60k stadiums, 4 if you include twickenham. The spurs ground at 62k would be perfect, well designed, plenty of food/drink outlets. Easy trip from motorways & public transport from central London. Also designed for safe standing, so could increase capacity to about 68k. Ticks all boxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC77 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, kev p said: How many years are the rl contracted to playing At Wembley? Wembley does not have the wow factor now. If the game needs to be played in London there are 3 60k stadiums, 4 if you include twickenham. The spurs ground at 62k would be perfect, well designed, plenty of food/drink outlets. Easy trip from motorways & public transport from central London. Also designed for safe standing, so could increase capacity to about 68k. Ticks all boxes Tearing down the old Wembley was a mammoth blunder, not just from a sporting perspective (where it was an iconic destination for Cup finals). When you see those images of Freddie Mercury on stage at Live Aid...think of the musicians today who would have had goosebumps playing on the same stage. Looking out at the crowd thinking “I’ve seen this image before.” They’d have been pinching themselves...Coldplay, Ed Sheeran, Adele, Beyoncé..you name it. That soulless bowl they’ve built does nothing for anyone, not sportsmen, not musicians. It’s not Wembley. Wembley was bulldozed. The only thing that remains is the address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev p Posted August 11, 2019 Author Share Posted August 11, 2019 Sorry, but the old Wembley was an outdated stadium & needed replacing. Freddie Mercury in the new one would be great also, anywhere! Unfortunately no Freddie! I went to champions league final at athletico Madrid’s ground. Now that is soulless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 hour ago, kev p said: How many years are the rl contracted to playing At Wembley? Wembley does not have the wow factor now. If the game needs to be played in London there are 3 60k stadiums, 4 if you include twickenham. The spurs ground at 62k would be perfect, well designed, plenty of food/drink outlets. Easy trip from motorways & public transport from central London. Also designed for safe standing, so could increase capacity to about 68k. Ticks all boxes All the boxes except the one marked ‘National Stadium’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiH68 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 10/08/2019 at 10:31, saintspete83 said: My idea would be to offer any seat in the stadium for £25-30 (ish) for 2 months after each final and have a countdown marketing campaign for them 2 months. Then after that no deals under any circumstances. Reward early buyers. At Bluesfest in Australia, if you buy tickets for next year’s event while at this year’s event, or I think for the first couple of weeks after this year’s event, then you get next year’s at a vastly reduced cost. It definitely works if the saving is worth it. The price then goes up incrementally as the year progresses - if you leave it to the last minute you pay maximum price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 The Challenge Cup Final had early bird discounted tickets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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