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Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

The seeds of Parky's discontent were revealed recently, in one of his posts about the dreadful injustice perpetrated against his beloved Hunslet Parkside jilted by Super League in their heyday. The scandalous behaviour of the then Super League/RFL hierarchy caused such outrage in the town, 50 odd fans (Parky's statistics) turned up to protest and to decide, if it was worth carrying on. Carry on they did. Parky's never ever forgotten the humiliation of being left at the altar and he's never forgiven the game for the hurt they caused him.

So now he sits at home, bitterly and steadfastly plotting by candlelight, the demise of the entire game. Discouraging all newcomers from getting involved, (its pointless), urging existing clubs to carry on doing what they've always done (bug...ger all) just like Parkside. Attempting to convince everyone that Ra ra is vastly superior (if thats a rugby league fan I'll eat my hat) and claiming more recently, that the reason Rugby League can't grow the game in the heartlands (or anywhere else for that matter) is its too tough for Northern lads.

This (I promise) is my final comment on this ugly old troll. He may not be a Union man but he's no league man either. If you'd care to pull down the mask of ''pseudo-facts'' and look behind the wall of words, what you see is a very sad, old maid, (never been kissed) standing in her tatty old wedding dress, with withered bouquet, tearfully dratting the day, she was left at the Super League altar of shattered dreams, having hitched her wagon to hopelessly inadequate Hunslet. Make no mistake, Parky is a rugby league killer in disguise, his fondest hope is that the game disappears from the face of the earth before she does. 

I'm sorry they hurt you Parky, but its about time you learned to let it go.

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I think Parky is very pro- Union and anti-League.  He wants League to crumble and fold...that is why he hates Toronto so much...in a way its flattering to Toronto and only reinforces its importance to the informed observer.

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4 hours ago, Man of Kent said:

Fair points.

To be fair, Toronto have had decent crowds from scratch. The declared figures are rather optimistic but there’s no doubt a good number of people show up. That’s a level of success. 

Other than that it’s pushing it to say they have been successful all things considered.

 

The declared figures were always very accurate, currently are accurate, and always will be accurate. 

Any proof you ever presented otherwise was quickly shown to be unfounded.

Quit spreading false news.

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3 hours ago, Dave T said:

Sometimes people forget that they are a Rugby League club. Let's judge them as that:

Successes:

Getting off the ground from zero.

Signing a strong squad.

Getting new local partners/sponsors involved.

Covering travel with Air Transat

Arranging all travel/accommodation and dealing with issues.

Winning promotion in year 1.

Winning LLS in Yr2, and Yr 3 and favourites to win GF next week.

Branding and media presence around Toronto.

Very good crowds with a great matchday experience.

Lots of publicity across the game.

As an RL team they are out there doing their business, winning games, putting bums on seats, getting sponsors in. That is undoubtedly a success. 

It is disingenuous for anybody to put it down to simply having a rich bloke in charge - we have seen that rich blokes don't always deliver success. I am ok with the questions about some of their local development, but that needs to be put into perspective, we are still in the infancy, I can understand the wait and see attitude to investments that pay off in 10-15 years. Once they are in SL then I think we should be more demanding of this if they are to stay.

I'm not really sure what people really want from them, but they have clearly been a successful startup from scratch. Anybody who points to them not making money is clearly absolutely clueless. 

Glad to see you are finally starting to come around...nice to see.  As mentioned by some previous posters, the clothing /merchandise sales are through the roof also.  I bet they sell more clothing et. al. ,and make more dough off of it, than the Leeds Rhinos did off of theirs in the last fiscal year.....always a huge lineup of eager buyers at the store.

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28 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

Glad to see you are finally starting to come around...nice to see.  As mentioned by some previous posters, the clothing /merchandise sales are through the roof also.  I bet they sell more clothing et. al. ,and make more dough off of it, than the Leeds Rhinos did off of theirs in the last fiscal year.....always a huge lineup of eager buyers at the store.

I have never been anything but a fan of TWP.

Their supporters, however...... 

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5 hours ago, Man of Kent said:

Fair points.

To be fair, Toronto have had decent crowds from scratch. The declared figures are rather optimistic but there’s no doubt a good number of people show up. That’s a level of success. 

Other than that it’s pushing it to say they have been successful all things considered.

 

if you could help us out by doing an exact count it would be greatly appreciated.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I have never been anything but a fan of TWP.

Their supporters, however...... 

?

Don't get mad at us for telling it like it is...don't shoot the messenger Dave.

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13 hours ago, The Parksider said:

You can insult me if you want,

Thanks I'll be back in the morning then.

19 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I have never been anything but a fan of TWP.

Their supporters, however...... 

Me too!

Amazingly the wife met one on a train the other day, a real life TWP Canuck fan who'd been to see them recently and I think she said was going to see Aston Villa which does prove they may all be a bit weird.

Oh and Parky can't be a yoonion fan. Look, no yawn troll was ever nerdy enough to cut and paste so many things, interpret them so badly and use them as unconnected pieces of evidence for something they don't illustrate at all or say "so there!" so often while waving a copy of League Express in your general direction.

5 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

Don't get mad at us for telling it like it is...don't shoot the messenger Dave.

On the other hand some TWP fans are just asking for it!

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4 hours ago, Dave T said:

Sometimes people forget that they are a Rugby League club. Let's judge them as that:

Successes:

Getting off the ground from zero.

Signing a strong squad.

Getting new local partners/sponsors involved.

Covering travel with Air Transat

Arranging all travel/accommodation and dealing with issues.

Winning promotion in year 1.

Winning LLS in Yr2, and Yr 3 and favourites to win GF next week.

Branding and media presence around Toronto.

Very good crowds with a great matchday experience.

Lots of publicity across the game.

As an RL team they are out there doing their business, winning games, putting bums on seats, getting sponsors in. That is undoubtedly a success. 

 

Also: Boosting traffic on the TRL fan forum to record-breaking levels.

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2 minutes ago, Loup said:

Also: Boosting traffic on the TRL fan forum to record-breaking levels.

Do we get a freebie for doing that?  We should at least get a promotion to SL without having to pay a bribe eh?

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8 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

Do we get a freebie for doing that?  We should at least get a promotion to SL without having to pay a bribe eh?

You get your own cardboard cut-out bleacher chum.

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In the meantime and apropos of nothing in particular, and without intending to derail this excellent thread, has there been any update from Robert Elstone on the admissibility of Toronto Wolfpack into Super League, should they win the Grand Final?

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1 hour ago, Krzzystuff said:

if you could help us out by doing an exact count it would be greatly appreciated.

 

 

Only 59 more than the 9266 declared attendance (ie sales figure, including freebies...) vs. London Broncos in the MPG. 

Curious, eh? 

 

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13 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

Only 59 more than the 9266 declared attendance (ie sales figure, including freebies...) vs. London Broncos in the MPG. 

Curious, eh? 

 

yours right, how come we get such high crowds and most of ya don't?

Also fun tidbit, kids 5 and under are free and don't need a ticket so we have been lying about our attendances all this time, they've bene higher if you add the kids.

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58 minutes ago, Loup said:

In the meantime and apropos of nothing in particular, and without intending to derail this excellent thread, has there been any update from Robert Elstone on the admissibility of Toronto Wolfpack into Super League, should they win the Grand Final?

How is that derailing the thread - that is the thread!

 

Also was thinking the same thing today, any updates?  Or do we wait to see who wins this weekend?

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1 hour ago, Loup said:

In the meantime and apropos of nothing in particular, and without intending to derail this excellent thread, has there been any update from Robert Elstone on the admissibility of Toronto Wolfpack into Super League, should they win the Grand Final?

Has there been an update from him on whoever wins the Final?

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3 minutes ago, Gooleboy said:

Has there been an update from him on whoever wins the Final?

  Has he ensured the entry,and free passage,of Sun journalists,and Toronto Sun journalists,if he has decided on Anfield again for the Magic Weekend?


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1 hour ago, TboneFromTO said:

How is that derailing the thread - that is the thread!

I vow to be clearer in future when deploying sarcasm mode.

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39 minutes ago, Loup said:

I vow to be clearer in future when deploying sarcasm mode.

Oh man. It's not you. It's me. I'm super tired and normally better then that.

I'm ashamed of myself!

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3 hours ago, TboneFromTO said:

Also was thinking the same thing today, any updates?  Or do we wait to see who wins this weekend?

Okay then, here's Loup's theory.

Toulouse beat Fev this Sunday, and SL have to decide whether to admit one foreign expansion club, or both, or neither. They will announce something before the GF, possibly with added weasel.

Fev beat Toulouse on Sunday, and it will be crickets* until after the GF winner is known.

*NA slang for complete silence

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11 minutes ago, Loup said:

Okay then, here's Loup's theory.

Toulouse beat Fev this Sunday, and SL have to decide whether to admit one foreign expansion club, or both, or neither. They will announce something before the GF, possibly with added weasel.

Fev beat Toulouse on Sunday, and it will be crickets* until after the GF winner is known.

*NA slang for complete silence

Good theory, I still just want to believe this whole controversy is nothing more then nonsense to grab headlines, and stir conversation up about the league.  In my head even Argyle is in on it.

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4 hours ago, Loup said:

In the meantime and apropos of nothing in particular, and without intending to derail this excellent thread, has there been any update from Robert Elstone on the admissibility of Toronto Wolfpack into Super League, should they win the Grand Final?

The only update I have seen, from the past week or so, was from Mr Elstone's interview on Rugby AM:

Rugby AM -- Elstone discusses potential Wolfpack promotion...
https://youtu.be/NeuJ3dzgk1A

You can clearly hear him hedging his bets, somewhat, and he does raise some genuine question marks and caveats about the challenges of a trans-Atlantic Super League, from long distance travel to balance of competition.  That said, the impression I am left with is that if TWP win next Saturday, and a few details can be ironed out, then entry into Super League is not only something which will happen, but something which will be promoted to ensure its long-term success; an impression also, thankfully, in line with what Mr Argyle articulated, during his season ticket holder Q&A, on Tuesday.

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If [Toronto Wolfpack] win their Grand Final, then subject to some minimum standards ... they will, I am sure, come into Super League.  If they do, then we've got to embrace it really, really positively; and that's what we will do. -- Robert Elstone (2019)

Caveats notwithstanding, and obviously pending the final score, if this is what Mr Elstone is saying, this week, then I am fully confident Toronto Wolfpack promotion to Super League will happen.  Considering this thread already has five times as many replies than the Rugby AM interview does seconds in its video, and it doesn't feel like this discussion here has gone anywhere but in circles, perhaps we should start to focus on:

  1. What the Rugby Football League and Super League can do, organizationally, to ensure the success of a trans-Atlantic Super League; and
  2. What the Toronto Wolfpack can do, or what will the team need to do better, in order to ensure their entry into the top tier is not only smooth, but a win for all involved.

Admittedly, this is all still hypothetical, even if the discussion might as well assume suggestions are for the 2020 season.  It simply seems, to me anyway, to be a heck of a lot more useful and practical than out-of-context quotes and aspirations from years past and from those no longer running the show.

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3 hours ago, ChoboMog said:

The only update I have seen, from the past week or so, was from Mr Elstone's interview on Rugby AM:

Rugby AM -- Elstone discusses potential Wolfpack promotion...
https://youtu.be/NeuJ3dzgk1A

You can clearly hear him hedging his bets, somewhat, and he does raise some genuine question marks and caveats about the challenges of a trans-Atlantic Super League, from long distance travel to balance of competition.  That said, the impression I am left with is that if TWP win next Saturday, and a few details can be ironed out, then entry into Super League is not only something which will happen, but something which will be promoted to ensure its long-term success; an impression also, thankfully, in line with what Mr Argyle articulated, during his season ticket holder Q&A, on Tuesday.

Caveats notwithstanding, and obviously pending the final score, if this is what Mr Elstone is saying, this week, then I am fully confident Toronto Wolfpack promotion to Super League will happen.  Considering this thread already has five times as many replies than the Rugby AM interview does seconds in its video, and it doesn't feel like this discussion here has gone anywhere but in circles, perhaps we should start to focus on:

  1. What the Rugby Football League and Super League can do, organizationally, to ensure the success of a trans-Atlantic Super League; and
  2. What the Toronto Wolfpack can do, or what will the team need to do better, in order to ensure their entry into the top tier is not only smooth, but a win for all involved.

Admittedly, this is all still hypothetical, even if the discussion might as well assume suggestions are for the 2020 season.  It simply seems, to me anyway, to be a heck of a lot more useful and practical than out-of-context quotes and aspirations from years past and from those no longer running the show.

He used the word "random" again, seriously????

Toronto is Eric Pérez's home town and it's where he had his marketing business before he decided to give that up for RL, so there was never anything random about Toronto.  Pérez knew the Toronto market far better than any other market, so where else would he ever have put the first club in his vision for the game?  Obviously, nowhere else but Toronto.

Elstone's evident lack of understanding about says a lot about his difficulty (and that of the SL chairmen) in getting his head (and their heads) around what Toronto represents for the game going forward.  Toronto playing in the existing UK structure truly is a mix of oil and water in many ways.

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