Flat Rock Kid Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 You’ll be waiting a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPosh Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Flat Rock Kid said: You’ll be waiting a while Yes. That's the point. People called Romans they go the house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rupert Prince Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Celt said: That's why you never win though. (Obviously you beat the kiwis but i'm talking about the big games). England does have an incredible habit of trucking out the most undersized backlines in international RL. They played that scrawny wee runt Kevin Brown in the world cup final FFS!!!! Every time you play the kangaroos, you look just as big as them from 8-13, but your backline is so lacking in size and strength it is incredible. Hilarious. Yes England's centres were so small Australia won the World Cup 30-0 ... Oh hang on a minute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Rupert Prince said: Hilarious. Yes England's centres were so small Australia won the World Cup 30-0 ... Oh hang on a minute! Your gross exaggeration doesn't make his point less valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Damien said: Your gross exaggeration doesn't make his point less valid. Who is a better centre, Gildart or Hurrell? Tell me, was Dean Bell too small. One thing that will stick in my memory about NZ centres is the way they chop their opponent's heads off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Celt said: That's why you never win though. (Obviously you beat the kiwis but i'm talking about the big games). England does have an incredible habit of trucking out the most undersized backlines in international RL. They played that scrawny wee runt Kevin Brown in the world cup final FFS!!!! Every time you play the kangaroos, you look just as big as them from 8-13, but your backline is so lacking in size and strength it is incredible. While I agree with your overall point that the Southern Hemisphere tends to play bigger and stronger backs, I think your example is a poor one. Kevin Brown was at 6 in the World Cup final and if selected on form Luke Keary could be the Kangaroo 6 this year... a player who makes Brown look like Mr. Universe... but Keary is still a great stand off. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said: Who is a better centre, Gildart or Hurrell? Tell me, was Dean Bell too small. One thing that will stick in my memory about NZ centres is the way they chop their opponent's heads off. Hurrell isn't Australia's centre. Even if he was Australian he wouldn't even be in the discussion. As for Gildart he has many flaws and is far from the finished article. He wouldn't even get in some NRL teams. The game has moved on from the 80s and early 90s. Dean Bell wasn't particularly small for that era either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 We've seen plenty of big, fast players who were physically remarkable, but didn't have the right stuff. Jamal Idris or Karl Pryce, for instance. And there have been many players who were told, at some stage, that they were too small. Johnathan Thurston, for one, and he did all right. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Futtocks said: We've seen plenty of big, fast players who were physically remarkable, but didn't have the right stuff. Jamal Idris or Karl Pryce, for instance. And there have been many players who were told, at some stage, that they were too small. Johnathan Thurston, for one, and he did all right. And there are stacks of big, fast players who are physically remarkable and do have the right stuff and the skills and the heart to back it up. They have also torn England/GB to shreds on a consistent basis for years. Plucking a couple of very limited players from the depths of time doesn't really change that. Neither does naming a half back in a discussion about centres. We also here these quotes about Thurston, and I also recall similar reservations about Tomkins, being told they are too small and I think its great that these guys have proven people wrong. However there will always be exceptions to the rule and nothing is is said about the vast majority of times when players are told they are too small, too slow etc and indeed don't make it. One swallow doesn't make a summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Not sure why the size of British centre's has been brought up in a thread about Bateman being one of the best backrowers in the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Damien said: And there are stacks of big, fast players who are physically remarkable and do have the right stuff and the skills and the heart to back it up. They have also torn England/GB to shreds on a consistent basis for years. Plucking a couple of very limited players from the depths of time doesn't really change that. Neither does naming a half back in a discussion about centres. We also here these quotes about Thurston, and I also recall similar reservations about Tomkins, being told they are too small and I think its great that these guys have proven people wrong. However there will always be exceptions to the rule and nothing is is said about the vast majority of times when players are told they are too small, too slow etc and indeed don't make it. One swallow doesn't make a summer. Sure, there are the big good ones too... and Bateman's playing against them week in week out and doing very nicely as one of the most eye-catching players in the most successful Raiders side in years. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Davo5 said: Not sure why the size of British centre's has been brought up in a thread about Bateman being one of the best backrowers in the game The national coaches of Bateman's era tend to play him in the centres. So there's a point in it, even if he plays his own sort of game that's a bit of both positions, wherever he's picked. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 quality player, shining in a quality environment see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Davo5 said: Not sure why the size of British centre's has been brought up in a thread about Bateman being one of the best backrowers in the game Exactly. It’s not the dog in the fight, it’s the fight on the dog. I remember watching Bateman in a losing side a few times and he stood out. Enthusiasm and no little skill is taking him a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 30 minutes ago, Celt said: Am not Australian. And while i like and admire the way NZ support the international game, their performances are not exactly high level. If the Aussies played your current team in a series, you would get absolutely hammered. The standard of thisseason's Super League has been utter garbage. Disagree? Just look at Castleford on Friday night, and they are supposed to be playoff contenders! How many guys from Friday night could honestly go toe-to-toe with Australia?? 2 from Wigan maybe, at a push? Did you see Brisbane's performance today? Utter garbage too. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Celt said: I didn't, but will try to take a look. If you're a Brisbane fan, I suggest taking up a position behind the sofa. Preferably in a foetal position with the Samaritans on speed-dial. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Damien said: Hurrell isn't Australia's centre. Even if he was Australian he wouldn't even be in the discussion. As for Gildart he has many flaws and is far from the finished article. He wouldn't even get in some NRL teams. The game has moved on from the 80s and early 90s. Dean Bell wasn't particularly small for that era either. Yes I know Hurrell is not Australia's centre. Spare be these trundling overweight centres who run out of breath at 60 minutes. Not like Bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 57 minutes ago, Celt said: I didn't, but will try to take a look. Oh, you should, you MUST! It was A MAZE ING, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, JohnM said: Oh, you should, you MUST! It was A MAZE ING, You do not need to peruse the stats for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Celt said: Fair point. I had typed my post and I did ask myself if he was perhaps at 6 in that game. But you can probably see what I was getting at, with admittedly not the best example. Yes, I can see your point. And after seeing the likes of Myles, Meninga, Inglis, Iro et al over the years I don't think we have produced the same quality of size and athleticism in outside backs and centre in particular.. some exceptions of course (i.e. Newlove) but nowhere near enough. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 On 14/09/2019 at 18:54, Man of Kent said: The Canberra Pomlanders and especially Bateman have done a lot for the reputation of English players Down Under. I was a bit bleary eyed this morning and initially read that as the Canberra Pornlanders. For a fleeting moment, I admired the city's honesty. I think Bateman should play loose forward for England/GB> Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 32 minutes ago, Wolford6 said: I was a bit bleary eyed this morning and initially read that as the Canberra Pornlanders. I'm checking for flights now! "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 33 minutes ago, Wolford6 said: I was a bit bleary eyed this morning and initially read that as the Canberra Pornlanders. For a fleeting moment, I admired the city's honesty. I think Bateman should play loose forward for England/GB> Not for me,leave him 2nd row,he's a great edge defender which given our problems at centre will be invaluable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Davo5 said: Not for me,leave him 2nd row,he's a great edge defender which given our problems at centre will be invaluable. I agree with this. We have three English/British forwards playing on the edge in the NRL in Whitehead, Bateman and Sam Burgess. Of the three, I would bring Burgess into the lock position. He has the size and a great engine and assuming his discipline is good he is a very good 60 to 80 minute middle forward. We have the prop rotation to not need Sam in the front row. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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