Damien Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Smudger06 said: No, we need to stabilize the current system (structure/ format) and 38 members we currently have.......which includes getting the 38th membership up and running fulfilling fixtures (The Stags membership which was approved to relocate to Ottawa.) Stabilising the current structure and format does nothing to develop the game and does nothing to stabilize clubs. A failing club will still be failing club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, Smudger06 said: No, we need to stabilize the current system (structure/ format) and 38 members we currently have.......which includes getting the 38th membership up and running fulfilling fixtures (The Stags membership which was approved to relocate to Ottawa.) Maybe it can't be stabilised because of the mixture of clubs not fitting with professional sport in this century? This is why I don't buy this "look after what we've got" argument. What we've got should be looking after itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfTexEvans Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 48 minutes ago, Lobbygobbler said: Swinton is just as close to Madchester city centre as FC United’s ground in Moston Moston is in Manchester. Thats a nonsense argument. For the ill-informed or Australians as they are more commonly known. Moston is M40, its that close I am pretty sure they cant play matches on the same day as Manchester City. Swinton is not even on the boundary. City centre is M1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Damien said: Let's just give up then eh? A Manchester club would not be in competition with those other RL club. There is an entirely largely untapped market to look at. I despair at the attitude of some RL fans on here. It's like they won't be happy until the game just gives up and just retreats to an ever shrinking status quo. As long as their club is okay and a big fish in a small pond they'll be happy I suppose. 1 hour ago, Damien said: Stabilising the current structure and format does nothing to develop the game and does nothing to stabilize clubs. A failing club will still be failing club. 1 hour ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: Maybe it can't be stabilised because of the mixture of clubs not fitting with professional sport in this century? This is why I don't buy this "look after what we've got" argument. What we've got should be looking after itself. Expansion.....relentless Expansion. Catalans Dragons London Broncos Sheffield Eagles Toronto Wolfpack Toulouse Olympique Coventry Bears London Skolars Newcastle Thunder North Wales Crusaders West Wales Raiders Stags? Hemel / Ottawa The above does not satisfy your unquenchable thirst for expansion?......??? Crickey.....! Get behind the above clubs if you must. Yet another Manchester Area Club is a no go....So say the Lancashire member Clubs and due to that.....So say the RFL. That's the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Smudger06 said: Expansion.....relentless Expansion. Catalans Dragons London Broncos Sheffield Eagles Toronto Wolfpack Toulouse Olympique Coventry Bears London Skolars Newcastle Thunder North Wales Crusaders West Wales Raiders Stags? Hemel / Ottawa The above does not satisfy your unquenchable thirst for expansion?......??? Crickey.....! Get behind the above clubs if you must. Yet another Manchester Area Club is a no go....So say the Lancashire member Clubs and due to that.....So say the RFL. That's the way it is. If that attitude were in football it would still be played only in the Midlands and Lancashire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, Smudger06 said: Expansion.....relentless Expansion. Catalans Dragons London Broncos Sheffield Eagles Toronto Wolfpack Toulouse Olympique Coventry Bears London Skolars Newcastle Thunder North Wales Crusaders West Wales Raiders Stags? Hemel / Ottawa The above does not satisfy your unquenchable thirst for expansion?......??? Crickey.....! Get behind the above clubs if you must. Yet another Manchester Area Club is a no go....So say the Lancashire member Clubs and due to that.....So say the RFL. That's the way it is. And there is the problem with some Rugby League fans in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Oh yes there's a massive problem because I don't back your fantasy Manchester Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Don't blame the fans. Blame the RFL if you must. But as I've demonstrated, there's plenty enough expansion. It's something you simply can't pin on them lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 47 minutes ago, Smudger06 said: Don't blame the fans. Blame the RFL if you must. But as I've demonstrated, there's plenty enough expansion. It's something you simply can't pin on them lol. There's plenty enough expansion? You listed 10 clubs in a 37 club system, only 2 of which are in SL; the rest being from a small pocket in the North. Plenty? Don't sound so insular. This "fantasy Manchester club" wasn't a fantasy this time last year. It was this insular thinking of their being only finite amount of fans in G.Manchester that stopped that. How would a club in the City of Manchester take resources from these other satellite Manchester clubs? Explain that to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: There's plenty enough expansion? You listed 10 clubs in a 37 club system, only 2 of which are in SL; the rest being from a small pocket in the North. Plenty? Don't sound so insular. This "fantasy Manchester club" wasn't a fantasy this time last year. It was this insular thinking of their being only finite amount of fans in G.Manchester that stopped that. How would a club in the City of Manchester take resources from these other satellite Manchester clubs? Explain that to me. Its a fantasy right now. The Manchester Rangers application for membership was an application for a £75k hand out each season remaining on the current revenue share / TV Deal. It had no serious investment behind it. I may explain the things you've asked later. But in the meantime have a look at what many say about the Sydney area regarding RL. Saturated. Maybe we will look into the mechanics of that and what it means for Greater Manchester in RL terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Smudger06 said: But in the meantime have a look at what many say about the Sydney area regarding RL. Saturated. Maybe we will look into the mechanics of that and what it means for Greater Manchester in RL terms. Are you really trying to compare a 7th club (a semi pro one at that) from within ones region but a different area within a near-40 team three-tier league system with 9 full time clubs from one city in one league (many of which play out of the same stadia)? They're not even remotely similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: Are you really trying to compare a 7th club (a semi pro one at that) from within ones region but a different area within a near-40 team three-tier league system with 9 full time clubs from one city in one league (many of which play out of the same stadia)? They're not even remotely similar. Sure, if you say so. How utterly ridiculous of me. Apologies. Good luck with the Manchester thing. You've won me over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Smudger06 said: Sure, if you say so. How utterly ridiculous of me. Apologies. Good luck with the Manchester thing. You've won me over. Even if I hadn't "won you over," would you not wish luck to such a project? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 14 hours ago, Smudger06 said: Its a fantasy right now. The Manchester Rangers application for membership was an application for a £75k hand out each season remaining on the current revenue share / TV Deal. It had no serious investment behind it. I may explain the things you've asked later. But in the meantime have a look at what many say about the Sydney area regarding RL. Saturated. Maybe we will look into the mechanics of that and what it means for Greater Manchester in RL terms. The Rangers offered to not take any central funding for a period of time. They also did more to develop the game locally than much longer established clubs who do benefit from the £75k hand out each season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfTexEvans Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 14 hours ago, Smudger06 said: Its a fantasy right now. The Manchester Rangers application for membership was an application for a £75k hand out each season remaining on the current revenue share / TV Deal. It had no serious investment behind it. I may explain the things you've asked later. But in the meantime have a look at what many say about the Sydney area regarding RL. Saturated. Maybe we will look into the mechanics of that and what it means for Greater Manchester in RL terms. Which is not true. Running as an amateur club the board was putting 6 figures into developing the game locally. Paying the costing of hosting games at the Regional Arena. If the team was going to enter the reserves league under its own resources, then that would not have got TV money. The decision to pull out the reserves because the RFL would only let them play under the Salford name. Almost like a undisclosed decision had already been made about a club playing as Manchester...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfTexEvans Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 14 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: There's plenty enough expansion? You listed 10 clubs in a 37 club system, only 2 of which are in SL; the rest being from a small pocket in the North. Plenty? Don't sound so insular. This "fantasy Manchester club" wasn't a fantasy this time last year. It was this insular thinking of their being only finite amount of fans in G.Manchester that stopped that. How would a club in the City of Manchester take resources from these other satellite Manchester clubs? Explain that to me. It takes resources if your basically taken over a club and your a one trick pony. Your only plan to bring in more sponsors, is to pretend your in Manchester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, TheLegendOfTexEvans said: It takes resources if your basically taken over a club and your a one trick pony. Your only plan to bring in more sponsors, is to pretend your in Manchester. I think it's intentionally ignorant to say that was all they would do. It doesn't take resources if that club is going to end up folding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfTexEvans Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: I think it's intentionally ignorant to say that was all they would do. It doesn't take resources if that club is going to end up folding. sorry you lost me there. which club you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolton Leyther Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I remember watching a video on, I think, Manchester Rangers' website (if not it would've been on their Youtube account) of an interview with a teenager playing in their junior set-up. He said that he got into the sport through some sort of community college initiative, and that he wouldn't ordinarily have played for a club because there wasn't one near enough to where he lived in Manchester. He was a newcomer to the sport and seemed to be really enjoyed it. I've got no idea where he'll be now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfTexEvans Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bolton Leyther said: I remember watching a video on, I think, Manchester Rangers' website (if not it would've been on their Youtube account) of an interview with a teenager playing in their junior set-up. He said that he got into the sport through some sort of community college initiative, and that he wouldn't ordinarily have played for a club because there wasn't one near enough to where he lived in Manchester. He was a newcomer to the sport and seemed to be really enjoyed it. I've got no idea where he'll be now. Connor Winfield inspired by watching Rob Burrows. About 10 stone wet through but can push prop forwards off in the tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolton Leyther Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, TheLegendOfTexEvans said: Connor Winfield inspired by watching Rob Burrows. About 10 stone wet through but can push prop forwards off in the tackle. Is he still playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Bolton Leyther said: I remember watching a video on, I think, Manchester Rangers' website (if not it would've been on their Youtube account) of an interview with a teenager playing in their junior set-up. He said that he got into the sport through some sort of community college initiative, and that he wouldn't ordinarily have played for a club because there wasn't one near enough to where he lived in Manchester. He was a newcomer to the sport and seemed to be really enjoyed it. I've got no idea where he'll be now. So that teenager didn't become aware of the sport via some obscure town outside Manchester and didnt start to travel 14 miles to Wigan. How odd when it's the narrative some on here are trying to spout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del capo Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 hours ago, TheLegendOfTexEvans said: It takes resources if your basically taken over a club and your a one trick pony. Your only plan to bring in more sponsors, is to pretend your in Manchester. Manchester Rangers had a great facility at Etihaid ( but no bar )' They had a team in the lower leagues of NWCL. Pretty poor on the park really.. To go to semi pro they needed to raid the Oldham / Rochdale / Salford areas for existing talent. In essence the were the Wolfpacks but at home.. The current RL members didnt like that and expressed their views accordingly,,,,,,,,, Greater Manchester isn't like for instance Leeds . It's population is not much higher than Wigan , or Salford. No open age sides are based within the City itself.... Never seen the plan they put before the RLF but Peter Pan may have been flying around..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfTexEvans Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, del capo said: Manchester Rangers had a great facility at Etihaid ( but no bar )' They had a team in the lower leagues of NWCL. Pretty poor on the park really.. To go to semi pro they needed to raid the Oldham / Rochdale / Salford areas for existing talent. In essence the were the Wolfpacks but at home.. The current RL members didnt like that and expressed their views accordingly,,,,,,,,, Greater Manchester isn't like for instance Leeds . It's population is not much higher than Wigan , or Salford. No open age sides are based within the City itself.... Never seen the plan they put before the RLF but Peter Pan may have been flying around..... I dont believe the plan was to turn an amateur team into a professional setup. It was demonstrate that an infrastructure for a semi-pro club could work. Population of Manchester 500K plus in the area of Manchester alone and rising to 1 million. As an amateur in a few seasons they went from 4th division to 2nd narrowly missing out on promotion to 1st after forfeiting a game because an athletics meeting overran. Made one grand final and had a least three players training with Salford. Henry Davies now playing for Halifax (1895 cup this year) and Ben Steele playing his footy now in Australia. Some of the lads turning down offers from League One clubs. Had Josh Hill picked to tour with England and include in the Jamaica Squad. Jubril Olajide has just been selected to play hooker for Nigeria, alongside Super League and NRL players. Not too shoddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfTexEvans Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, Bolton Leyther said: Is he still playing? Guess if he is he will be at Oldham St Annes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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