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15 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Where the playoffs always this poorly attended? I remember it being really noticeable when we moved to top 8, but I'm sure the playoffs before that were fairly well attended?

That's my recollection as well. Before the top 8 attendances seemed to be decent but then we moved to the top 8 format which IMO did a lot of damage to the playoff concept. They were deeply unpopular and I think turned a lot of people off playoffs, especially the years when neither of the top 2 made the Grand Final and all the uproar that caused and Leeds followed it up by winning the title from 5th again.

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TV is a big factor.

When people buy their season tickets they know most of those games won't be live on TV. They are then asked to go out and buy another ticket for a game that they know will definitely be on TV - I can imagine that influences quite a lot of fans. Unfortunately there's absolutely nothing we can do about that.

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14 minutes ago, Industria ditat said:

TV is a big factor.

When people buy their season tickets they know most of those games won't be live on TV. They are then asked to go out and buy another ticket for a game that they know will definitely be on TV - I can imagine that influences quite a lot of fans. Unfortunately there's absolutely nothing we can do about that.

I’m sorry but that’s rubbish. If you’re a fan of Warrington, Saints, Leeds or Wigan, you know most of your games will be televised. 

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Some right rubbish posted on here , towards the end of the regular season we hear " why is everybody focusing on the relegation battle ? "  , then we have " why is everybody more interested in the middle 8s ? " , So we get rid of them , and no bigger turns up to watch the play offs 

We truly are in a mess 

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ST prices seem very cheap to me compared with premier league football, if you can get one. A play off place is what you work for all season, then interest goes, should be the other way round! Can’t understand it myself. Be interesting what grand final attendance will be, after excuses for CC final. It’s same ground, same time of year & likely same team or two. If GF attendance is poor, we have a serious problem. 

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16 hours ago, scotchy1 said:

Time, not to buy the ticket but attend the game. 

People have lives. We are expecting people on Saturday to decide they are going to buy a ticket and attend the game on Thursday. Its not even a weeks notice. 

Qualifying for the play-offs isnt an achievement for most clubs, its a minimum expectation. If we had 30 clubs and clubs were only making the play-offs once every 3 or 4 years then people would attend, it would be an event. But Wire qualify for the play-offs most years, expected to qualify this year, it was no big deal that they did qualify and then there was only 5 days to sell tickets for a thursday night game. Its easy not to bother and watch on tv instead. 

 

None of that is Warringtons fault.  Every SL club has the same cut of TV money and they all have the same salary cap.  They all have the same chances to shine.

The dates for the play offs are known months in advance, and week by week the likely final placings are mapped out.  The fact that the final places were so competitive ought to be a bonus.

The problem is firstly Thursdays, second late nights... on any day, and the refusal to play on weekends both midday and afternoons. All of which mitigates against attendances.

Plus Wire fans clearly had got a gob on.  Warringtons much heralded marketing, and the odious "Wolfie", 8turns put to be an abject failure.

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Just had this email from the Giants (I must in the mailing list for some reason)

 

Huddersfield Giants Chairman Ken Davy has delivered a radical new approach to entice a future generation of Huddersfield Giants supporters by drastically reducing season card prices for under 30’s for the 2020 BetFred Super League season, on sale from this Monday at 9:30am

Ken Davy said “We have again decided to ensure that our season ticket prices are thebest value in the entire game, whilst in addition we have simplified and expanded our age brackets, with the objective of attracting new supporters, particularly the younger age group that the game game needs, as well as the Giants. 

"Clearly these prices are heavily subsidised and in pure economic terms not viable unless we can double our season ticket base. Nonetheless we feel it essential to continue to work to embed the Claret and Gold Giants into the hearts and minds of young supporters in greater numbers. In addition, our prices for all, remain the lowest in the game and even cheaper than Championship clubs who do not face the cost of running full time squads"

Ticket Prices

Adults (Over 30s) - £149/£10.64 per Match

Under 30s - £80/£5.71 per Match

 

 

£5.71 per match? The whole email sounds like desperation to me.

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14 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

£5.71 per match? The whole email sounds like desperation to me.

Utterly. 

It’s overly cheap but then you do have a lot of seats to fill.

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16 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

Utterly. 

It’s overly cheap but then you do have a lot of seats to fill.

The problem is they aren’t going to fill it, they’re just going to have the same amount of people paying less.

Market the product as a cheap throw away thing and people will think its a cheap throw away thing.

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9 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

The problem is they aren’t going to fill it, they’re just going to have the same amount of people paying less.

Market the product as a cheap throw away thing and people will think its a cheap throw away thing.

That is my feeling too. They could easily lose money over this with a few more fans but many more now paying less.

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3 hours ago, Rupert Prince said:

 

Plus Wire fans clearly had got a gob on.  Warringtons much heralded marketing, and the odious "Wolfie", 8turns put to be an abject failure.

Well no. Crowds and profile went up.

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Just thought I would mention the Souths V Manly elimination game drew 32,000+ today with TV coverage 😎

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1 minute ago, Clogiron said:

Just thought I would mention the Souths V Manly elimination game drew 32,000+ today with TV coverage 😎

This is why a lot of the solutions are nonsense without addressing the culture we have (and have cultivated) here.

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37 minutes ago, Damien said:

That is my feeling too. They could easily lose money over this with a few more fans but many more now paying less.

Where do they go from here though? They’ve basically just said their product isn’t worth paying for

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2 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

£5.71 seems a lot to me to watch Huddersfield every week L.O.L.. Cheaper to buy a tin of paint and watch it dry.

I think you're being unfair to paint. if it's windy out the paint might splatter or something!

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If Salford took 2000 to tonight's game that 9000+  gate at what we are told is the World's Biggest RL Club 😂😂😂 doesn't look too good does it!

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9,000 was more than I expected to be honest, probably boosted by a larger away following than expected.

I think we need to realise this is a game wide problem not an individual club problem.


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Isn’t the whole reason season tickets do not gain finals access because the RFL are hosting the game rather than the home club?

I agree with a few others here that the following points all contribute to ###### finals crowds.

- Garbage promotion from the RFL 

- Inability of the RFL to sell the whole “Finals” concept

- Bending over for Sky by playing on a Thursday night

- Repetition of fixtures between two clubs and a lack of exclusivity

Edited by Sports Prophet

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I’m not advocating yet another structure change but I did see someone on social media suggest a new play-off approach of the league leaders of Super League gaining an automatic position in the Grand Final with 2 v 3 playing off for the remaining place in the Grand Final. The more I think about it, the more I think it puts a bit more meaning on finishing as league leaders. 

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8 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

Isn’t the whole reason season tickets do not gain finals access because the RFL are hosting the game rather than the home club?

I agree with a few others here that the following points all contribute to ###### finals crowds.

- Garbage promotion from the RFL 

- Inability of the RFL to sell the whole “Finals” concept

- Bending over for Sky by playing on a Thursday night

- Repetition of fixtures between two clubs and a lack of exclusivity

RFL don’t run super league anymore. Super League run Super League. 

IMO too many games in the regular season kills the playoffs

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9 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

Isn’t the whole reason season tickets do not gain finals access because the RFL are hosting the game rather than the home club?

I agree with a few others here that the following points all contribute to ###### finals crowds.

- Garbage promotion from the RFL 

- Inability of the RFL to sell the whole “Finals” concept

- Bending over for Sky by playing on a Thursday night

- Repetition of fixtures between two clubs and a lack of exclusivity

I thought SL, namely Mr Elstone and the Chairmen were now in charge?

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2 hours ago, Oliver Clothesoff said:

I’m not advocating yet another structure change but I did see someone on social media suggest a new play-off approach of the league leaders of Super League gaining an automatic position in the Grand Final with 2 v 3 playing off for the remaining place in the Grand Final. The more I think about it, the more I think it puts a bit more meaning on finishing as league leaders. 

Certainly puts more meaning on 3rd! 

It also puts zero meaning on 5th. Not forgetting 6th.

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On ‎19‎/‎09‎/‎2019 at 22:21, Chris22 said:

Then why don't people?

Because 

1) "it costs too much"

2)"It's Thursday night and I can't possibly venture out of the house because I have to be up for work 12 hours later"

3) "I'm not paying that much"

4) "I pay for SKY so why would I then pay again to watch it in the ground"

5) "It's not free!"

6) "I can't be bothered"

7) "I'm a Fairweather/glory supporter and we haven't been doing very well"

8 ) "It isn't part of my season ticket so I won't attend games I have to actually buy a ticket for, unless it's a final" , see also 7)

9) "it's too cold"

10) " I have to be up the next morning so can't leave the house"

there's plenty of excuses RL fans will use to not support their clubs/games and then bemoan the fact that we are a small time sport who doesn't get the same treatment that football/RU gets etc etc 

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On ‎19‎/‎09‎/‎2019 at 22:26, scotchy1 said:

Time, not to buy the ticket but attend the game. 

People have lives. We are expecting people on Saturday to decide they are going to buy a ticket and attend the game on Thursday. Its not even a weeks notice. 

Qualifying for the play-offs isnt an achievement for most clubs, its a minimum expectation. If we had 30 clubs and clubs were only making the play-offs once every 3 or 4 years then people would attend, it would be an event. But Wire qualify for the play-offs most years, expected to qualify this year, it was no big deal that they did qualify and then there was only 5 days to sell tickets for a thursday night game. Its easy not to bother and watch on tv instead. 

 

But by the same token, those same fans have lives through the regular season and manage to attend games, surely as a fan of a club involved in the play offs, you'll have some idea of the dates you're likely to play and arrange it accordingly.

It's hardly a weeks notice is it? the fixtures are set out at the start of the season, as a club involved in the play offs, you'll know you're playing this week, and why is a week a long time to decide whether to do something you've done all year without a problem?

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