the old nine ole Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 New signing!!! Guess what !! ...... another prop!! .... from C1!! Connor Scott!! ...... probably another squad player!! Plenty of competition in the forwards! We need a couple of backs please! ... a championship proven winger, another centre and half back cover! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 16 minutes ago, the old nine ole said: New signing!!! Guess what !! ...... another prop!! .... from C1!! Connor Scott!! ...... probably another squad player!! Plenty of competition in the forwards! We need a couple of backs please! ... a championship proven winger, another centre and half back cover! Don’t need wingers when your walloping it up the middle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickD Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Rambo said: Don’t need wingers when your walloping it up the middle! That’s my worry. I can’t be the only one getting a little concerned about the number of props ? The only consolation is that it’s a change from second rowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyoldram Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 11 hours ago, the old nine ole said: New signing!!! Guess what !! ...... another prop!! .... from C1!! Connor Scott!! ...... probably another squad player!! Plenty of competition in the forwards! We need a couple of backs please! ... a championship proven winger, another centre and half back cover! 11 hours ago, the old nine ole said: New signing!!! Guess what !! ...... another prop!! .... from C1!! Connor Scott!! ...... probably another squad player!! Plenty of competition in the forwards! We need a couple of backs please! ... a championship proven winger, another centre and half back cover! LG wants to add some size to the front row apparently. So why sign small ones in the first place? We are having a small squad and half of them are props - great. He did the same last year with back rowers, and still ended up playing loanees in those positions, and I can foresee the same happening with the props. How is this helping the creation of a close knit, happy dressing room. Waste of valuable resources IMO. Censorship ends in logical completeness when nobody is allowed to read any books except the books that nobody reads. George Bernard Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 5 hours ago, grumpyoldram said: LG wants to add some size to the front row apparently. So why sign small ones in the first place? We are having a small squad and half of them are props - great. He did the same last year with back rowers, and still ended up playing loanees in those positions, and I can foresee the same happening with the props. How is this helping the creation of a close knit, happy dressing room. Waste of valuable resources IMO. We need a minumum of five props - four per game and at least another to cover for injuries or suspensions. Do we have more than five signed on? It is the easiest thing in the world to identify where a squad is short (see every other club's forums) but not so easy to identify players to fit those gaps who fit into our "player profile" for next year. I am certain that LG and his team aren't exactly twidlling their thumbs to see what or who comes along. Your extrapolation to include loanees, their potential impact and your reaction to that has no current basis in fact. I think you need another cruise to cheer yourself up. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crown Flatter Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said: ...I think you need another cruise to cheer yourself up. Grumpy might find more cheer in a couple of San Miguels. Legs, Dews, Legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyoldram Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Blind side johnny said: We need a minumum of five props - four per game and at least another to cover for injuries or suspensions. Do we have more than five signed on? It is the easiest thing in the world to identify where a squad is short (see every other club's forums) but not so easy to identify players to fit those gaps who fit into our "player profile" for next year. I am certain that LG and his team aren't exactly twidlling their thumbs to see what or who comes along. Your extrapolation to include loanees, their potential impact and your reaction to that has no current basis in fact. I think you need another cruise to cheer yourself up. 8 Tom Garratt 9. Dom Speakman 10 Martyn Reilly 11 Chris Annakin 12 Michael Knowles 13 Sonny Esslemont 14 Sam Day 15 Jon Magrin 16 Luke Nelmes 17 Fraser Morris 18 Sam Moorhouse 19 James Thornton 20 Connor Scott I make that 9 props (If LG intends using Anakin there, as he has already stated). Extrapolation re loanees - well yes, but based on last years events, where half our contracted players disappeared before a meaningful match had been played, and in came the loans. Thing is, we don't need more than five or six props, because they tend not to get injured (some do but not often). The front row are interchanged more often than any other group so get to rest more (specially when the wingers are doing their job of carrying the ball up). Don't think I mentioned anything about where we were short, or how to address the problem, but I do know that if you throw all your brass at speculative punts who "look promising" you won't have anything left to sign the tried and trusted. I am absolutely unimpressed by the likely direction our game plan for next year is taking, which presumably is one man, up the middle rugby. Maybe that's why MS has taken in the Bulls, at least he'll get the chance to see expansive football every other fortnight. Censorship ends in logical completeness when nobody is allowed to read any books except the books that nobody reads. George Bernard Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham fisher Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 5 hours ago, grumpyoldram said: 8 Tom Garratt 9. Dom Speakman 10 Martyn Reilly 11 Chris Annakin 12 Michael Knowles 13 Sonny Esslemont 14 Sam Day 15 Jon Magrin 16 Luke Nelmes 17 Fraser Morris 18 Sam Moorhouse 19 James Thornton 20 Connor Scott I make that 9 props (If LG intends using Anakin there, as he has already stated). Extrapolation re loanees - well yes, but based on last years events, where half our contracted players disappeared before a meaningful match had been played, and in came the loans. Thing is, we don't need more than five or six props, because they tend not to get injured (some do but not often). The front row are interchanged more often than any other group so get to rest more (specially when the wingers are doing their job of carrying the ball up). Don't think I mentioned anything about where we were short, or how to address the problem, but I do know that if you throw all your brass at speculative punts who "look promising" you won't have anything left to sign the tried and trusted. I am absolutely unimpressed by the likely direction our game plan for next year is taking, which presumably is one man, up the middle rugby. Maybe that's why MS has taken in the Bulls, at least he'll get the chance to see expansive football every other fortnight. I’ve looked and I can’t see 9 props. Tom Garratt. Luke Nelmes. Fraser Morris . Sam Moorhouse. Connor Scott. All out and out props,and as Lee as already stated Chris Annakin will be propping that’s 6. Others can play 2nd row or loose forward,but I must admit we seem to be top heavy in the forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyoldram Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 33 minutes ago, graham fisher said: I’ve looked and I can’t see 9 props. Tom Garratt. Luke Nelmes. Fraser Morris . Sam Moorhouse. Connor Scott. All out and out props,and as Lee as already stated Chris Annakin will be propping that’s 6. Others can play 2nd row or loose forward,but I must admit we seem to be top heavy in the forwards. I must be confused, I thought Magrin, Thornton and Reilly were props who could play elsewhere at a pinch. Could there be more to come ? Censorship ends in logical completeness when nobody is allowed to read any books except the books that nobody reads. George Bernard Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the old nine ole Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 So i think this is it to date!! 1 Joe Martin 2 Andy Gabriel 3 Jason Walton 4 Adam Ryder 5 Davy Dixon 6 Paul Sykes 7 Liam Finn 8 Tom Garratt 9. Dom Speakman 10 Martyn Reilly 11 Chris Annakin 12 Michael Knowles 13 Sonny Esslemont 14 Sam Day 15 Joe Magrin 16 Luke Nelmes 17 Fraser Morris 18 Sam Moorhouse 19 James Thornton 20 Liam Johnson 21 Connor Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, the old nine ole said: So i think this is it to date!! 1 Joe Martin 2 Andy Gabriel 3 Jason Walton 4 Adam Ryder 5 Davy Dixon 6 Paul Sykes 7 Liam Finn 8 Tom Garratt 9. Dom Speakman 10 Martyn Reilly 11 Chris Annakin 12 Michael Knowles 13 Sonny Esslemont 14 Sam Day 15 Joe Magrin 16 Luke Nelmes 17 Fraser Morris 18 Sam Moorhouse 19 James Thornton 20 Liam Johnson 21 Connor Scott Only a couple more to come then, at most. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the old nine ole Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Blind side johnny said: Only a couple more to come then, at most. Mark did say there was plenty left in the pot if Lee found what he wanted! .... What do you think we need to complete the squad? .... I would be looking at backs as we have no cover other than what we might get from HKR on DR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyoldram Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Blind side johnny said: Only a couple more to come then, at most. They'll need to be bloody versatile if they have six positions to cover. Censorship ends in logical completeness when nobody is allowed to read any books except the books that nobody reads. George Bernard Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham fisher Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Jodie Sheriffe signed 1 year contract at Oldham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 On 31/10/2019 at 17:35, the old nine ole said: Mark did say there was plenty left in the pot if Lee found what he wanted! .... What do you think we need to complete the squad? .... I would be looking at backs as we have no cover other than what we might get from HKR on DR I agree. I also believe that they are looking very closely at who is available that we could afford and fits the profile of the type of players that we are trying to recruit. I don't know who these might be. I know that quite a few people on here are very critical of our recruitment so far. Which other Championship club has impressed you with their recruitment, as distinct from retentions? Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham fisher Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 22 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said: I agree. I also believe that they are looking very closely at who is available that we could afford and fits the profile of the type of players that we are trying to recruit. I don't know who these might be. I know that quite a few people on here are very critical of our recruitment so far. Which other Championship club has impressed you with their recruitment, as distinct from retentions? A few comments baffle me both on here and our Facebook page,calling some of our signings second rate before they’ve even seen them play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishknight Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 The grass is aways greener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham fisher Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 1 hour ago, spanishknight said: The grass is aways greener. Allegedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyoldram Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 14 hours ago, Blind side johnny said: I agree. I also believe that they are looking very closely at who is available that we could afford and fits the profile of the type of players that we are trying to recruit. I don't know who these might be. I know that quite a few people on here are very critical of our recruitment so far. Which other Championship club has impressed you with their recruitment, as distinct from retentions? I may be seen as one of that group. I neither know nor care what other clubs are doing with their recruitment, but it seems to me that we are (for the second year running), signing players in positions already well catered for. Out of the nineteen players signed, only seven are backs. I’d also consider that two of those are every bit as much out and out centres as Kevin Sinfield was an out and out Stand off, but I’ll let that pass. I worry that as things stand we have no backs cover whatsoever. I wouldn't want us to depend on the lottery that is DR to solve that problem. It seems that PM’s prediction that we will be “prop ing “ up the division is already a reality. Censorship ends in logical completeness when nobody is allowed to read any books except the books that nobody reads. George Bernard Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyoldram Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 14 hours ago, graham fisher said: A few comments baffle me both on here and our Facebook page,calling some of our signings second rate before they’ve even seen them play. Haven't read any comments questioning the ability of the signings (I don't do facebook). Point is though, they could be the best collection of forwards in the division, you can still only put nine of them in the match day squad. Censorship ends in logical completeness when nobody is allowed to read any books except the books that nobody reads. George Bernard Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 23 hours ago, grumpyoldram said: I may be seen as one of that group. I neither know nor care what other clubs are doing with their recruitment, but it seems to me that we are (for the second year running), signing players in positions already well catered for. Out of the nineteen players signed, only seven are backs. I’d also consider that two of those are every bit as much out and out centres as Kevin Sinfield was an out and out Stand off, but I’ll let that pass. I worry that as things stand we have no backs cover whatsoever. I wouldn't want us to depend on the lottery that is DR to solve that problem. It seems that PM’s prediction that we will be “prop ing “ up the division is already a reality. You may not know, nor care, GOR but this is highly relevant. There has not been an influx of quality signings into any club so far, indicating that the market might not be awash with the necessary players. Needing cover for certain positions is one thing but I am sure that you would be the last to suggest that we simply sign anyone just because they play in that position, irrespective of their potential. PMs predictions are simply an attempt to disguise the inadequacy of his own club's recruitment to date. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyoldram Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 11 hours ago, Blind side johnny said: You may not know, nor care, GOR but this is highly relevant. There has not been an influx of quality signings into any club so far, indicating that the market might not be awash with the necessary players. Needing cover for certain positions is one thing but I am sure that you would be the last to suggest that we simply sign anyone just because they play in that position, irrespective of their potential. PMs predictions are simply an attempt to disguise the inadequacy of his own club's recruitment to date. Fair point BSJ, but I would also be the last to suggest we should sign players for positions in which we are already adequately covered, simply because we can't yet find the players needed to cover our deficiencies. If we keep on doing that, there might well be nothing left in the pot to sign on players who do become available. Censorship ends in logical completeness when nobody is allowed to read any books except the books that nobody reads. George Bernard Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 8 hours ago, grumpyoldram said: Fair point BSJ, but I would also be the last to suggest we should sign players for positions in which we are already adequately covered, simply because we can't yet find the players needed to cover our deficiencies. If we keep on doing that, there might well be nothing left in the pot to sign on players who do become available. Indeed, but as MS said at the recent forum we do still have a fair chunk of our budget left for the right players. Like you I wouldn't expect these to be more big lads for the pack. I promise to remain patient. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 I hear a whisper that another winger is on his way to us. This might make Grumpy and Nick slightly happier even if not completely gruntled. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the old nine ole Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Blind side johnny said: I hear a whisper that another winger is on his way to us. This might make Grumpy and Nick slightly happier even if not completely gruntled. Has Mason Caton Brown found a club yet? .... he'd be a good signing .... but probably too expensive! or Rob Massam ... looked really good for Rochdale .... then I think he went to Wales! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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