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Brian McDermott calls for extra salary cap and quota spots for non-heartland clubs

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Toronto head coach Brain McDermott believes non-heartland clubs should be given dispensations, including a larger salary cap and more overseas quota spots. The Wolfpack head coach says he has been “fascinated” by the ongoing saga regarding the club’s potential entry into Super League, and questioned whether decision-makers are keen to see Toronto be successful. McDermott, who spent five years at…

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Agree it should be the same rules for everyone. I’d love to see the salary cap increased though, not by loads, £500k maybe, it’s too small time at the moment and too many players leave for the NRL or Union. If it means the gap widens between top and bottom so what, the weaker clubs will have to work harder. 

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1 hour ago, Total Rugby League said:

Toronto head coach Brain McDermott believes non-heartland clubs should be given dispensations, including a larger salary cap and more overseas quota spots. The Wolfpack head coach says he has been “fascinated” by the ongoing saga regarding the club’s potential entry into Super League, and questioned whether decision-makers are keen to see Toronto be successful. McDermott, who spent five years at…

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Now that he has got his security should his team be promoted it is like the saying be given and inch and take a mile, does it surprise anyone he wants nay needs special dispensation to anyone, Go do one Brian.

 

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5 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

Should be the same set of rules for everyone !

McDermott should quit whining and concentrate on his own job

I agree but it's not currently, as Toronto aren't going to get any of the central pot

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4 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

Should be the same set of rules for everyone !

McDermott should quit whining and concentrate on his own job

The salary cap is being artificially used to keep the lower clubs in touch with bigger clubs. Clubs like Wakefield, Salford etc. are spending no where near the cap right now. Ambitious clubs are trying to compete with Brisbane and Souths for players and shouldn't be reliant on whether some SL clubs can afford competition wages. If we want to see the WCC a walk in the park for Aussie clubs for the next 10 years we should keep it as it is. 

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It isn't really a one size fits all thing, as some clubs don't pay out the salary cap ….. for Toronto, an increased salary cap and ability to recruit the best players is a driver, whereas for a London, I would argue their priority would be 'hands off' rules for their academy products and ability to pay them outside the cap and some recognition of London weighting.

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4 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Agree it should be the same rules for everyone. I’d love to see the salary cap increased though, not by loads, £500k maybe, it’s too small time at the moment and too many players leave for the NRL or Union. If it means the gap widens between top and bottom so what, the weaker clubs will have to work harder. 

After years of remaining static the cap went up this year and it goes up again next year (by another £100K if memory serves) along with the introduction of 3rd marquee player dispensation. I agree though it still needs to increase further over the next few years, maybe to £2.5M by 2022


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1 minute ago, Saint Toppy said:

After years of remaining static the cap went up this year and it goes up again next year (by another £100K if memory serves) along with the introduction of 3rd marquee player dispensation. I agree though it still needs to increase further over the next few years, maybe to £2.5M by 2022

It needs to be £4-5m. Those that spend it have to prove they can be sustainable.

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4 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

I agree but it's not currently, as Toronto aren't going to get any of the central pot

Which they should. If they're in SL they should get the same share of the central pot as all the other SL clubs

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At present Toronto DO get special dispensation on overseas players, all their squad are from overseas. How many more non Canadians do they want/need?

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2 minutes ago, Scubby said:

It needs to be £4-5m. Those that spend it have to prove they can be sustainable.

That really would tip Wigan over the edge ?

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3 minutes ago, Scubby said:

It needs to be £4-5m. Those that spend it have to prove they can be sustainable.

Problem is with such a large increase not many clubs will be able to reach that level. I think of all the clubs spending the full current SC limit only Saints & Wire are able to turn a profit. Even a club like Wigan have made public their large losses.


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Just now, Saint Toppy said:

Problem is with such a large increase not many clubs will be able to reach that level. I think of all the clubs spending the full current SC limit only Saints & Wire are able to turn a profit. Even a club like Wigan have made public their large losses.

Yes but if some can, that is the bar to reach. It is like saying we have some amazingly fast kids at the athletics club but we give them heavy boots so the other kids don't feel the need to try harder.

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Wrong thread 

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McDermott is talking sense....for those that say the rules should be the same for everyone then why are the other clubs not paying for Toronto to travel to their home fixtures?....the word 'hypocrite' comes to mind.

23 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

Should be the same set of rules for everyone !

McDermott should quit whining and concentrate on his own job

 

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1 minute ago, Kayakman said:

McDermott is talking sense....for those that say the rules should be the same for everyone then why are the other clubs not paying for Toronto to travel to their home fixtures?....the word 'hypocrite' comes to mind.

 

How much does it cost to travel from Manchester to say, Wigan? Can't be too expensive surely?

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2 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

McDermott is talking sense....for those that say the rules should be the same for everyone then why are the other clubs not paying for Toronto to travel to their home fixtures?....the word 'hypocrite' comes to mind.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Canis Lupus said:

same rules must apply but not when taking the money off Toronto yeah right all is fair and good.

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8 minutes ago, Private Baldrick said:

How much does it cost to travel from Manchester to say, Wigan? Can't be too expensive surely?

Its sad...no wonder you folks are in such trouble over there...the blind following the blind....let me guess...when it all falls apart it will be someone elses fault.  So predictable.

Now lets get serious for a sec.   RL needs to get its act together if it wants to survive and expand.....such an unwelcoming, hostile environment for growth....doomsday predictors and Naysayers everywhere....really sad....pathetic actually...just pitiful.  Some RL folks have simply hit rock bottom and their misery loves company.

But there is HOPE!....TWP is coming to save you all in RL!  Along with progressive sides like York and Ottawa we will win in the end.

Step aside and let the Canadians lead and you can then follow them (like what happened in both of the World Wars when we came over to save you yet again).

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46 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Yes but if some can, that is the bar to reach. It is like saying we have some amazingly fast kids at the athletics club but we give them heavy boots so the other kids don't feel the need to try harder.

Thing is that works in a sport with mass appeal and loads of clubs - in football rich owners can come in 6-7 tiers down and take their club "on a journey" (usually with hilarious consequences when the money runs out) or buy their way to the Premier League from League 1. In a sport with barely double figures of genuinely elite clubs (in the UK) it feels like a hell of a risk giving the 2-3 that can afford to go splurging permission to do it. It all seems to be predicated on a belief/feeling/guess/hope that it's going to raise the profile of the sport such that enough other funding sources/individuals come in that it's worth the potential damage.

If it works then happy days. However, given the threat of no one new coming in and the same three clubs opening up clear blue water from the other 9 and making the entire league/cup a parody of sport, I would suggest that there needs to be some of what the RFL calls jeopardy...

I'd do it if the SL chairmen signed up to the following proposition:

the cap can be raised/eliminated if they wish, but if after say 10 years it has created a structural imbalance and not met certain KPIs in terms of investment, gap between the richest clubs and the mean, etc, then SL accepts the imposition of immediate licensing and a player draft system (and an overseas player cap of 1 per matchday squad) on the basis that they've tried what they wanted and damaged the game. Any losses they incur on the basis of having their academy players as assets effectively compromised by the introduction of a draft are the price they pay for trying it and it not working.

If it works then great, if it doesn't then they don't get away with it, or their successors as if they try and sell their club in the meantime then the liability passes to the successor owner.

That should focus a few minds.

 

 

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I think he does have a point. The salary cap really doesn't do much to take into account local factors. It wasn't that long ago that we had RL hacks trying to whip-up faux outrage over the Dragons having what seemed to be a higher cap - a situation that was only created due to the value of Sterling falling vs the Euro. 

What a young player in Castleford is paying every month in rent, a young player in London is paying more than that per week. That's a significant issue. In any other profession, London-based employers would pay more to reflect this. London, however, are barely allowed to do this.  

Yes, the salary cap does give a 10% weighting for London clubs but when you consider that London would usually have to pay a premium to attract a player from the north vs a similar offer from a Yorks / Lancs club (to encourage the player to move, bring their family, etc), it isn't really much to cover the difference and that artificially benefits the heartland clubs. 

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49 minutes ago, Scubby said:

It needs to be £4-5m. Those that spend it have to prove they can be sustainable.

Taking the cap as it was set in 1999 and accounting for inflation, that would put it at just over £3m today. I think that's a reasonable position to be in. We shouldn't be subsidising poorly run clubs / owners by imposing pay cuts on the playing talent. 

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