Smudger06 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 30 minutes ago, scotchy1 said: The amount of money and people available in a place like Toulouse is in a different league to a place like featherstone. That's why, with little effort, they can move to a fantastic stadium suitable for SL and not a small 8k stadium with 2nd hand stands. Yes, what an achievement to be Tennants of Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Just now, scotchy1 said: The amount of money and people available in a place like Toulouse is in a different league to a place like featherstone. That's why, with little effort, they can move to a fantastic stadium suitable for SL and not a small 8k stadium with 2nd hand stands. Surely when Toulouse were in the recent Play Offs against York and Featherstone and the Holy Grail of the big city Super League was within their grasp, they should have been able to muster up crowds bigger than the measly thousand or so that they got, with all these major sponsors and fans waiting in the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, Gooleboy said: Surely when Toulouse were in the recent Play Offs against York and Featherstone and the Holy Grail of the big city Super League was within their grasp, they should have been able to muster up crowds bigger than the measly thousand or so that they got, with all these major sponsors and fans waiting in the wings. A Metro City of about a million playing at home turns out 800 fans, a small town of 15k can bring 200 to the South of France at short notice. Speaks volumes of TOXIII playing RL since 1937 and it's big city potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, scotchy1 said: In a stadium suitable. An option not really available to fev Fevs option is certainly better than Castlefords, Wakefields, Toronto's and the recent SL quality 'stadium' in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, scotchy1 said: The same argument goes round and round, wakefield and Cas ground, nor London's is good enough for SL. Being better than those does not mean good enough. You missed Lamport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 Leeds Rhinos; Headingley Rugby Stadium Toronto Wolfpack; Lamport Stadium London Broncos; the Hive Stadium Toulouse Olympique; Stade Ernest-Wallon Sheffield Eagles; Olympic Legacy Park Newcastle Thunder; Kingston Park Dragons Catalans; Nou Sardenya New York City RL; Red Bull Arena Ottawa Stags; TD Place Stadium Manchester Rangers; Academy Stadium Hull FC; KCOM Stadium Dublin Blues; Tallaght Stadium I found the two extra teams needed from my initial post by accepting Hull FC even though it's a small to medium sized city and putting in a 3rd concept team, Dublin Blues even though they are miles behind the non entity NY & Ottawa projects (remember from the 1st post, Leigh & Salford to merge under a Derek/Marwan joint venture for a big city Manchester to happen!) I even found home gaffs for the lot There ya go Macca...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, scotchy1 said: The amount of money and people available in a place like Toulouse is in a different league to a place like featherstone. That's why, with little effort, they can move to a fantastic stadium suitable for SL and not a small 8k stadium with 2nd hand stands. It'd be brilliant 2300 people in a 30K plus stadium. Have you any idea the hold Union has in places like Toulouse, Brive la Gaillarde,, Clermont Ferrand, Limoges? I've been to many of these places and seen it. “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Trojan said: It'd be brilliant 2300 people in a 30K plus stadium. Have you any idea the hold Union has in places like Toulouse, Brive la Gaillarde,, Clermont Ferrand, Limoges? I've been to many of these places and seen it. The Union Stadium is 19.5k, still would look brill with 25 hundred in it. Are you thinking of the Toulouse council owned ground that the football team plays in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Baldrick Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 In Europe the 2 main rugby league playing nations are England and France. Their capital cities are London and Paris. Both have multi million populations, multi national business HQ's based in their cities, both are pretty affluent with many potential investors. Both have international transport hubs and very effective connectivity. Both have failed to support a viable Super League club. If rugby league cannot prosper in these 2 big cities, probably the biggest cities in Europe, then where can it prosper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 33 minutes ago, scotchy1 said: Toulouse averaged more than fev this year. And no, it's not really 'sure' that Toulouse would be able to attract anywhere near the numbers of fans and sponsors in the 2nd tier semi-pro RL against largely small northern towns as they would in super league. But they were only a couple of wins away from the SL, so all these potential sponsors and thousands of new fans are leaving it late to show an interest in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, Smudger06 said: The Union Stadium is 19.5k, still would look brill with 25 hundred in it. Are you thinking of the Toulouse council owned ground that the football team plays in? I passed a ground in the centre of Toulouse. It was huge, and it had Rugby posts. “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, scotchy1 said: I'm not obsessed with union like some RL fans. It isnt an existential threat to us. And the stadium Toulouse will play in currently holds 19.5k so I dont know why you are making things up. Also there is a reason that there are multiple large stadiums in Toulouse and not in featherstone. For the same reason there aren't multiple large stadiums in St Helens, Widnes, Wigan, Salford, Wakefield, Keighley, Warrington, Castleford, Doncster, Rotherham, Barnsley, Halifax, Burnley, Blackburn, Blackpool, Preston, and anywhere else in northern England you'd care to mention. Get a life for god's sake and stop obsessing about Featherstone Rovers “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP London Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, Trojan said: I passed a ground in the centre of Toulouse. It was huge, and it had Rugby posts. The Stade Ernest Wallon holds 19.5k... Stade Toullousain do, on occasion, play their big games at the "football Stadium" which holds a lot more.. you may have seen them setting up for that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, scotchy1 said: There are multiple large stadiums in Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Bradford, Newcastle, Sheffield, Nottingham, Hull.... Yes but Liverpool Manchester Newcastle and Sheffield don't have Super League sides. Bradford's a bit ambiguous, depends whether you call Odsal a stadium or a redundant hole in the ground, still at least it doesn't have second hand stands. “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, Smudger06 said: Leeds Rhinos; Headingley Rugby Stadium Toronto Wolfpack; Lamport Stadium London Broncos; the Hive Stadium Toulouse Olympique; Stade Ernest-Wallon Sheffield Eagles; Olympic Legacy Park Newcastle Thunder; Kingston Park Dragons Catalans; Nou Sardenya New York City RL; Red Bull Arena Ottawa Stags; TD Place Stadium Manchester Rangers; Academy Stadium Hull FC; KCOM Stadium Dublin Blues; Tallaght Stadium I found the two extra teams needed from my initial post by accepting Hull FC even though it's a small to medium sized city and putting in a 3rd concept team, Dublin Blues even though they are miles behind the non entity NY & Ottawa projects (remember from the 1st post, Leigh & Salford to merge under a Derek/Marwan joint venture for a big city Manchester to happen!) I even found home gaffs for the lot There ya go Macca...... Some on here will question if the grounds are big enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Just now, scotchy1 said: Yes because that's obviously how it works So if they get in and all these fans and sponsors appear, but the team isn't successful, you won't see them for dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Just now, Trojan said: For the same reason there aren't multiple large stadiums in St Helens, Widnes, Wigan, Salford, Wakefield, Keighley, Warrington, Castleford, Doncster, Rotherham, Barnsley, Halifax, Burnley, Blackburn, Blackpool, Preston, and anywhere else in northern England you'd care to mention. Get a life for god's sake and stop obsessing about Featherstone Rovers We could name one of the second hand stands after him, in honour of his obsession! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Picture Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Private Baldrick said: In Europe the 2 main rugby league playing nations are England and France. Their capital cities are London and Paris. Both have multi million populations, multi national business HQ's based in their cities, both are pretty affluent with many potential investors. Both have international transport hubs and very effective connectivity. Both have failed to support a viable Super League club. If rugby league cannot prosper in these 2 big cities, probably the biggest cities in Europe, then where can it prosper? RL hasn't prospered in those 2 big cities with teams there playing in a league populated mostly by teams in "small northern villages" as one other poster here described them a couple of months back which most Londoners and Parisiens won't know or rate as worth their time, attention or money. That does not mean that RL couldn't prosper in those cities if they had teams in a league populated entirely by teams from globally recognized cities though, because that would be a whole different ball game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Baldrick Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Big Picture said: RL hasn't prospered in those 2 big cities with teams there playing in a league populated mostly by teams in "small northern villages" as one other poster here described them a couple of months back which most Londoners and Parisiens won't know or rate as worth their time, attention or money. That does not mean that RL couldn't prosper in those cities if they had teams in a league populated entirely by teams from globally recognized cities though, because that would be a whole different ball game. I am sorry but I do not sign up to your theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, Big Picture said: RL hasn't prospered in those 2 big cities with teams there playing in a league populated mostly by teams in "small northern villages" as one other poster here described them a couple of months back which most Londoners and Parisiens won't know or rate as worth their time, attention or money. That does not mean that RL couldn't prosper in those cities if they had teams in a league populated entirely by teams from globally recognized cities though, because that would be a whole different ball game. simple then why don't who form your own league of globally recognized cities and leave us small northern villages" well alone playing the game we love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Baldrick Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, scotchy1 said: Like a championship and Super League? What is your criteria for a team to be a 'large city' team? Would you have a limit on non UK 'large city' teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Toronto certainly sort the realists from the dreamers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, scotchy1 said: There are multiple large stadiums in Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Bradford, Newcastle, Sheffield, Nottingham, Hull.... Not in Leeds, Newcastle, Hull & Nottingham there isn't........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, scotchy1 said: Like les catalan? Let's not forget that Catalan were allowed two years immunity from relegation “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, scotchy1 said: Indeed, the realists said Toronto could attract thousands and make it work. The dreamers wished and hoped that they wouldnt. Thankfully realism prevailed. Dream on “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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