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Sat 12 Oct: SLGF: Salford Red Devils v St Helens KO 6pm (TV)

Who will win?  

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  1. 1. Who will win?

    • Salford Red Devils by 13 points or more
      7
    • Salford Red Devils by 7 to 12 points
      19
    • Salford Red Devils by 1 to 6 points
      34
    • St Helens by 1 to 6 points
      1
    • St Helens by 7 to 12 points
      23
    • St Helens by 13 points or more
      22

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1 minute ago, Barca Mum said:

Good Salford support I've been to many sporting events but never heard the c word used so much by the supporters not offended by swearing I get supporters passionate about their team but perhaps a step too far considering I was in family area

I agree with you.

However, Man United's stewards are among the worst in any sport. They will do very little, if anything, to persuade anyone to stop using language like that.

We used to have a corporate table at Old Trafford, and I once took some Everton fans to watch a game there against Man U. The way they were treated by the stewards was the final straw for me, and having held that £20,000 per season table for 10 years, we never went back.

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6 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

It was an intriguing tactic that I picked up on. Not something you see much of, but they seemed to go for the power play every time when on the try line rather than finish with a kick and hope.

That tactic is made vastly easier when the gap between the defenders and attackers is allowed to narrow significantly than the laws state, at one point I thought the Saints D were going to take the first pass from the dummy half of Salford, it was so blatantly obvious and that on top of the other poor decision making by the man in the middle compounded matters further.

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On ‎13‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 00:25, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

The two head shots on Salford players should have both seen a card, it's clear the RFL are all talk and no action, they don't give a stuff about player welfare or 'tackles' like that would be snuffed out for the most part and neck tackles would also be penalised regularly. the 'rubbing heads' BS from someone earlier should also be an instant yellow card offence, it's not rubbing heads, it's someone shoving their head into your face/head deliberately, there's simply no need for it to happen, none, and yet officials ignore it and thus it carries on.

Presumably then you also think Dudson should have been sin-binned for his head shot on Thompson ? After all it was a swinging arm with direct contact to the head & neck.


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47 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

Presumably then you also think Dudson should have been sin-binned for his head shot on Thompson ? After all it was a swinging arm with direct contact to the head & neck.

Dudson also regularly shoved his head into the tackle when the ball carrier was on the floor. All we can ask is consistency with the referee and I'd argue he was consistent with the tackling technique for both sides through the game.

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19 hours ago, swann5 said:

Well done saints fantastic season , but second half was a joke by kendal. He sould be made to sit in front of a ref's panel and explain himself . How can a super league ref not know it's illigal to hurdle over a  tackle

Because it isn't !!

What is illegal is for a player to jump into the tackler with raised knees, which Grace didn't, he was attempting to jump over & around the tackle and not into the tackler (don't listen to the idiots in the Sky commentary box, they're seemingly just as clueless as some on here). We see similar instance all the time where players will raise their legs, jump, or goose step to avoid a tackler aiming to tackle their legs. It was the correct call from the referee to not penalize him.

Similar with the scrum try. The player feeding the scrum must retreat behind his forwards until the scrum has broken up. Fages feeds the scrum and continually runs in a sideways & backwards motion away from the ball so was constantly retreating while Roby & Taia were running forwards. At no point did he take part in the play after the ball was out of the scrum or place himself between another Saints player and a defender to cause an obstruction. And despite the hissy fit from Welham the replays clearly showed he hadn't been held in the scrum, it was just him being too slow to break and too slow to cover across. So again it was the correct call from the officials to award the try.

There's plenty of comments about the Ashworth tackle on Inu and its one of those 50:50 calls we see in every match, sometimes they get penalized sometimes they don't. There were other instances of head contact in the game that similarly didn't get penalized, notably when Grace made the break down the middle in the lead up to alleged tackle jump he was hit straight around the head by Walker but there was no penalty. As for the head rub, that happens dozens of times in a game, players usually just laugh it off.

The only calls I thought was clearly wrong was the Dudson knock on and the Walker knock on. Yes Dudson moved forward off the mark and lost the ball but Smith never fully released him and in almost every other type of instance like this its the defender who gets penalized. Walker was trying to offload and a saints hand played at the ball as he was trying to get his arms free, but it was on the blind side of the ref so almost impossible for him to actually see. It should have been a penalty for a ball steal but in most instance like this where the ref can't see exactly how the ball comes out he usually gives a knock on.

I can't believe some people on here are whinging about the Lolohea disallowed try, it was just about as blatant an obstruction as you can get as a Salford player runs straight into Knowles and blocks him and Lolohea then runs straight through that gap that was created.

Overall it was a good, fast clean game with both teams showing total commitment. Credit to Salford as they never buckled, despite Saints being dominant for the majority of the game.  

 

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20 hours ago, swann5 said:

How can a super league ref not know it's illigal to hurdle over a  tackle . 

 

6 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

Because it isn't !!

What is illegal is for a player to jump into the tackler with raised knees, which Grace didn't, he was attempting to jump over & around the tackle and not into the tackler

I think it is.

Here's a quote from the Hull FC hall of fame regarding the legendary Billy Batten who perected the art of jumping over an opponent.

"He played Test football on the wing but was best known for his powerful centre play and rather than going around an opponent, he preferred to go over the top of them. He perfected a famous leap (that was later banned) making him one of the most difficult players to bring to ground."

His son Eric carried on the trend...

Image result for billy batten leap

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         SL Hit Man 2016/2017 - Danny Houghton (1,289/1,123 tackles)  SL Club of the Year 2016 - Hull FC

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the Devils met the Mayor of Salford  on Sunday. Think it must have been a last minute arrangement. Some great pics of the players who appear to be in fancy dress including the dodgeball outfit.

 

Check out Ian Blease on twitter for more

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9 minutes ago, Red Willow said:

the Devils met the Mayor of Salford  on Sunday. Think it must have been a last minute arrangement. Some great pics of the players who appear to be in fancy dress including the dodgeball outfit.

Check out Ian Blease on twitter for more

Average Joes... awesome. I have the t-shirt!

Great to hear the club getting the recognition for their great season locally.

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Back at my laptop, so I can type more easily.

I enjoyed the weekend, though I was absolutely knackered by the end. I don't think I've walked as much for years!

The result was disappointing, but not the effort. A couple of decisions went the wrong way, but Saints were clearly the better team and deserved the win, so "Well done, Saints!"

I met up with Padge and Bob8, along with assorted friends, before the game. Good company, thanks guys! I also got to enjoy some real British ale for the first time in a long time. Sadly, I had to watch my intake as I couldn't guarantee access to a usable toilet afterwards. Well, not at Old Trafford anyway!

Overall, an interesting experience and one I'd like to think I will get another shot at one day soon. I'll try to arrange my itinerary to include at least one night in a hotel, next time. Two consecutive all-nighters are too much for this ancient carcass!

Good luck to everyone next year, but especially to Salford!

 

 

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4 hours ago, Saint Toppy said:

Presumably then you also think Dudson should have been sin-binned for his head shot on Thompson ? After all it was a swinging arm with direct contact to the head & neck.

If that occurred then yes, I only watched the second half in parts so didn't see it, if you can pinpoint the game time and a link I'll check it out. The saints one stood out as it was a free shot on a totally defenseless player … twice!

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58 minutes ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

If that occurred then yes, I only watched the second half in parts so didn't see it, if you can pinpoint the game time and a link I'll check it out. The saints one stood out as it was a free shot on a totally defenseless player … twice!

The one in the 2nd half, Thompson drives the ball in, Dudson swinging arm straight to the head/neck, Kendall gives the penalty and Saints kick the goal to make the score 20-6.

Funny how a tackle like that only warrants a penalty in your eyes (or you mysteriously didn't see it) but the others committed by saints players warrant yellow cards !

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I've watched the game several times now to get my mind clear.  Saints second try has to be obstruction, surely the rules state that the scrum half must retire when he's put the ball in, he didn't he screened the breakaway player.  And Percival's brilliant individual try, surely the ball was stripped, shouldn't it have been a penalty to Salford?  And the first time Salford crossed the line was brought back for obstruction, 50/50 at best.  Saints play some lovely football, but given the advantages they received on Saturday night, it's not really surprising.

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On 14/10/2019 at 10:03, Saint Toppy said:

Because it isn't !!

What is illegal is for a player to jump into the tackler with raised knees, which Grace didn't, he was attempting to jump over & around the tackle and not into the tackler (don't listen to the idiots in the Sky commentary box, they're seemingly just as clueless as some on here).

One of which is Stuart Cummins !

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5 hours ago, Trojan said:

I've watched the game several times now to get my mind clear.  Saints second try has to be obstruction, surely the rules state that the scrum half must retire when he's put the ball in, he didn't he screened the breakaway player.  And Percival's brilliant individual try, surely the ball was stripped, shouldn't it have been a penalty to Salford?  And the first time Salford crossed the line was brought back for obstruction, 50/50 at best.  Saints play some lovely football, but given the advantages they received on Saturday night, it's not really surprising.

Yeah but the best team won sadly!

Or Booo! Booo!

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2 hours ago, RL does what Sky says said:

In the cup final programme there was an article showing the nominees for Super Fan of the Year. Does anyone know who won it ?

Here you go

http://blog.betfred.com/98169/betfred-sponsorship/and-the-betfred-super-fan-of-the-year-is/

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2 hours ago, Chris22 said:

Thanks Chris22.  The reason I asked is that I saw Fred Halliwell's photo in the cup final programme as one of the nominees but didn't know who had won the overall prize.

Being from Oldham I know Fred - he is one of the most loyal and hard-working amateur club officials and has been involved with Hollinwood ARLFC for well over 40 years. Not decrying anyone involved at whatever level in the game but it's always a lot easier if you are with a relatively successful club and have more people to assist, yet Fred, along with his wife Anita, have been dedicated to Hollinwood even though they have always been in the lower divisions of the amateur league and not achieved the glory which many others often enjoy.

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22 hours ago, Trojan said:

I've watched the game several times now to get my mind clear.  Saints second try has to be obstruction, surely the rules state that the scrum half must retire when he's put the ball in, he didn't he screened the breakaway player.  And Percival's brilliant individual try, surely the ball was stripped, shouldn't it have been a penalty to Salford?  And the first time Salford crossed the line was brought back for obstruction, 50/50 at best.  Saints play some lovely football, but given the advantages they received on Saturday night, it's not really surprising.

Some real straw grabbing going on here, if that scrum try had been disallowed it would have been ridiculous. Ask yourself if you've ever seen a try disallowed or any team penalised for having a scrum half do that, because I haven't. The obstruction is a penalty now simply because the attacking player stopped in the defensive line. Its a rubbish rule as it doesnt take into account a bad read by a defender but its the rules now and has been for a few seasons. The strip was a strip the ref missed, he made a mistake, the same as pretty much every player on the pitch made a mistake during the game.

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12 minutes ago, dkw said:

Some real straw grabbing going on here, if that scrum try had been disallowed it would have been ridiculous. Ask yourself if you've ever seen a try disallowed or any team penalised for having a scrum half do that, because I haven't. The obstruction is a penalty now simply because the attacking player stopped in the defensive line. Its a rubbish rule as it doesnt take into account a bad read by a defender but its the rules now and has been for a few seasons. The strip was a strip the ref missed, he made a mistake, the same as pretty much every player on the pitch made a mistake during the game.

Scrum Half's never do that, that is why you rarely see a penalty for it. If the scrum have hadn't illegally done what he did then there wouldn't have been a gaping hole for Taia to run through. The illegal act is precisely where the try came from.

Undoubtedly 2 Saints tries should have been Salford penalties. 12 points is huge in a Grand Final.

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2 hours ago, Damien said:

Scrum Half's never do that, that is why you rarely see a penalty for it. If the scrum have hadn't illegally done what he did then there wouldn't have been a gaping hole for Taia to run through. The illegal act is precisely where the try came from.

Undoubtedly 2 Saints tries should have been Salford penalties. 12 points is huge in a Grand Final.

You seriously claiming scrum halves never run an angle from a scrum? Really? 

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16 minutes ago, dkw said:

You seriously claiming scrum halves never run an angle from a scrum? Really? 

Not to create a gap like that, no. 

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4 hours ago, dkw said:

Some real straw grabbing going on here, if that scrum try had been disallowed it would have been ridiculous. Ask yourself if you've ever seen a try disallowed or any team penalised for having a scrum half do that, because I haven't. The obstruction is a penalty now simply because the attacking player stopped in the defensive line. Its a rubbish rule as it doesnt take into account a bad read by a defender but its the rules now and has been for a few seasons. The strip was a strip the ref missed, he made a mistake, the same as pretty much every player on the pitch made a mistake during the game.

What do I care?  I'm a Fev fan.  But AFAIK the laws say that the attacking scrum half should retire behind the rear feet after he's fed the scrum.  The Saints player clearly didn't do that.  Penalty every day.

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On 16/10/2019 at 13:26, Trojan said:

I've watched the game several times now to get my mind clear.  Saints second try has to be obstruction, surely the rules state that the scrum half must retire when he's put the ball in, he didn't he screened the breakaway player.  And Percival's brilliant individual try, surely the ball was stripped, shouldn't it have been a penalty to Salford?  And the first time Salford crossed the line was brought back for obstruction, 50/50 at best.  Saints play some lovely football, but given the advantages they received on Saturday night, it's not really surprising.

Obstruction was 50/50 at best come on your having a laugh. Logan Tomkins was stood in the defensive line, made no attempt to move, blocked Knowles to the point he had to drag Tomkins out of the way and Lolohea used the gap created to score. The most blatant obstruction ever. The rest of your biased interpretation is also laughable but that is the worst and destroys all your credibility. 

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