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RobertAM

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Chatting to some knowledgeable folks at the Ontario Rugby League AGM Saturday night and consensus was that it was shortsighted to have let Quinn leave in the first place as he may well have developed into a handy and quick player. If he is re-signed mebbe we will find out. Also discussed whether some CFL players could be converted to decent RL prospects as it would be faster than training youngsters.

With Ottawa coming in there would at least be a pathway to RL.??

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Cameron Highlander

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1 minute ago, RobertAM said:

Chatting to some knowledgeable folks at the Ontario Rugby League AGM Saturday night and consensus was that it was shortsighted to have let Quinn leave in the first place as he may well have developed into a handy and quick player. If he is re-signed mebbe we will find out. Also discussed whether some CFL players could be converted to decent RL prospects as it would be faster than training youngsters.

With Ottawa coming in there would at least be a pathway to RL.??

Robert, and what was the result of your discussion re. the bit I've underlined above?

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2 minutes ago, Cameron Highlander said:

Robert, and what was the result of your discussion re. the bit I've underlined above?

Some qualified folks thought it could be done. Question is would the candidates be prepared to spend considerable time in UK as part of the process.

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9 hours ago, RobertAM said:

Some qualified folks thought it could be done. Question is would the candidates be prepared to spend considerable time in UK as part of the process.

Robert, I can see the concerns re. time in the U.K.  But, to turn that around, go back to 2017 and think of our young 'uns then like Blake W., Jonny P., Nick R., and our maybe not so young 'uns like Liam K., Jack B., and even QLT.  The consensus from them was that this was like a dream come true for them.....getting paid good bucks to play rugby and spending part of the year in Canada doing it.   Turn that around for any promising CFL players and would the same not apply?  They get paid to play a sport with the added bonus thrown in that for a lot of the time they'd be in England along with a side jaunt to France.   Where I can see conflicts is if they were on the steep curve in a professional career and they'd not want to jeopardize climbing the corporate ladder so to speak.   Interesting times.

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I have to say I’d be surprised if any CFL players are playing in Super League anytime soon. To go from playing a sport you’ve never really played to the top level would really be something, it really should have been tried in league one.

Maybe if/when Ottawa gets up and running that will be an opportunity but in the short term at least I think union players would be more realistic. 

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22 hours ago, manu266 said:

All players injured so far have been confirmed injured on Saturday but without much details.

Squad must be named on Wednesday noon, that could give some indications, but again you can name injured players if you don't have any other options. 

  • 1. Gareth O'Brien
  • 2. Matty Russell
  • 2. Chase Stanley - Nationality Issues
  • 4. Ricky Leutele
  • 5. Liam Kay
  • 6. Joe Mellor - Wrist Injury (broken)
  • 7. Josh McCrone
  • 8. Adam Sidlow
  • 9. Andy Ackers
  • 10. Anthony Mullally
  • 11. Andrew Dixon
  • 12. Bodene Thompson
  • 13. Jon Wilkin Knee 
  • 14. Darcy Lussick - Injured
  • 15. Gadwin Springer Head
  • 16. Tom Olbison
  • 17 Blake Wallis
  • 18. Brad Singleton
  • 19. Gary Wheeler
  • 20. James Cunningham - Hamstring
  • 21. Sonny Bill Williams - Back from Paternity Leave
  • 22. Greg Worthington - On Loan At Featherstone
  • 23. Hakim Maloudi

16 available so far...

Meanwhile, the Wolfpack’s squad depth continues to test them, and they are understood to have had an approach for one of their players from a Super League rival in return for four fringe players to boost their squad numbers.

https://www.totalrl.com/wolfpack-still-waiting-for-stanley/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=wolfpack-still-waiting-for-stanley

Do we loose interchanges by not name a 20 man squad still (you did last year with 18)

If so, put me on the list, I'll cost 1£ a season (under the condition I don't have to play lol)

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4 hours ago, TboneFromTO said:

Do we loose interchanges by not name a 20 man squad still (you did last year with 18)

If so, put me on the list, I'll cost 1£ a season (under the condition I don't have to play lol)

I hope not, we lose interchange if on game day we pick someone not on the first list. Anyway worst case scenario you name them and they stay in the infirmary.

But just for the stat, they can name me also; and I don't need a visa (yet).

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Some good news and one bad news: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/sonny-bill-williams-back-toronto-21522677

  • 1. Gareth O'Brien
  • 2. Matty Russell
  • 2. Chase Stanley - Nationality Issues
  • 4. Ricky Leutele
  • 5. Liam Kay
  • 6. Joe Mellor - Broken wrist, cannot play Friday
  • 7. Josh McCrone
  • 8. Adam Sidlow
  • 9. Andy Ackers
  • 10. Anthony Mullally
  • 11. Andrew Dixon
  • 12. Bodene Thompson
  • 13. Jon Wilkin - Knee, should be fit Friday 
  • 14. Darcy Lussick - Injured, cannot play Friday
  • 15. Gadwin Springer - Head, expected to be available Friday
  • 16. Tom Olbison
  • 17 Blake Wallis
  • 18. Brad Singleton
  • 19. Gary Wheeler
  • 20. James Cunningham - Hamstring, could be 6 months
  • 21. Sonny Bill Williams - Back from Paternity Leave
  • 22. Greg Worthington - On Loan At Featherstone
  • 23. Hakim Maloudi
  • 24. Quinn Ngawati - Has agreed to return, need RFL clearance and... a visa
  • 25. Rochdale players might be called in case of emergency

18 players fit for Friday, we are not gonna be called Tbone.

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If Gigot is available I count 19 players that could play Friday assuming there are no further problems with Wilkin and Springer. It does mean I should probably stop watching the Wolfpack though. As good as Gigot is, whenever I've watched him he always seems to have an absolute shocker.

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4 hours ago, fevtom said:

If Gigot is available I count 19 players that could play Friday assuming there are no further problems with Wilkin and Springer. It does mean I should probably stop watching the Wolfpack though. As good as Gigot is, whenever I've watched him he always seems to have an absolute shocker.

Well Tom, I hope you do the right thing and stop watching lol

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"they don't have salary cap room at the moment. They hope they can make some room soon to allow me to sign for the season."

As a payroll specialist I feel sorry for Wolfpack payroll team at the moment, they must run numbers day and night on excel to find the miracle formula.

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It is all confusing and hard to follow...

  • 1. Gareth O'Brien
  • 2. Matty Russell
  • 2. Chase Stanley - Nationality Issues
  • 4. Ricky Leutele
  • 5. Liam Kay
  • 6. Joe Mellor - named but cannot play
  • 7. Josh McCrone
  • 8. Adam Sidlow
  • 9. Andy Ackers
  • 10. Anthony Mullally
  • 11. Andrew Dixon
  • 12. Bodene Thompson
  • 13. Jon Wilkin - Knee, will have minor surgery
  • 14. Darcy Lussick - Injured, back round 8/9
  • 15. Gadwin Springer - Head, failed concussion protocol
  • 16. Tom Olbison
  • 17 Blake Wallis
  • 18. Brad Singleton
  • 19. Gary Wheeler
  • 20. James Cunningham - Hamstring, could be 6 months
  • 21. Sonny Bill Williams 
  • 22. Greg Worthington - Not named, on loan but will play Friday then go back to Fev
  • 23. Hakim Maloudi
  • 24. Tony Gigot - Bienvenue au club 
  • 25. Quinn Ngawati - Waiting for a visa 

18 players fit, maybe, I don't know anymore, but I guess we lose interchanges because Worthington was not named on Wednesday. Unless they use

Any further changes would need to be approved by the Rugby Football League board in "exceptional circumstances".

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So I heard on Howlin Hour that the reason Chase is still not playing is because he's applied for a heritage visa to ty and get him off the cap as a quota player? That wouldn't help us in any way this year as we're up to the cap so making him a non import wouldn't change anything am I right? next year it would free u a spot to sign a non Brit but that's all?

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It's not a heritage visa anymore, it's a kolpak passport he needs now.

They currently have 6 overseas players, mccrone, Thompson, Wallace, Lussick, Williams and chase thus one too many.

Leutele is Samoan so count as the first uk/eu/kolpak non federation trained. With Chase coming back with a uk or samoan passport he would count as the second one. But Sonny had a Samoa passport in the past. Either he lost the citizenship or they dont dare send a millionaire in a consulate lineup.

Ngawati would count as Canadian and federation trained since he would be our first born and bred, so would not count in the 2 quotas. But he still needs a UK work visa.

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5 hours ago, manu266 said:

It's not a heritage visa anymore, it's a kolpak passport he needs now.

They currently have 6 overseas players, mccrone, Thompson, Wallace, Lussick, Williams and chase thus one too many.

Leutele is Samoan so count as the first uk/eu/kolpak non federation trained. With Chase coming back with a uk or samoan passport he would count as the second one. But Sonny had a Samoa passport in the past. Either he lost the citizenship or they dont dare send a millionaire in a consulate lineup.

Ngawati would count as Canadian and federation trained since he would be our first born and bred, so would not count in the 2 quotas. But he still needs a UK work visa.

Which can be a pain!

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6 hours ago, manu266 said:

It's not a heritage visa anymore, it's a kolpak passport he needs now.

They currently have 6 overseas players, mccrone, Thompson, Wallace, Lussick, Williams and chase thus one too many.

Leutele is Samoan so count as the first uk/eu/kolpak non federation trained. With Chase coming back with a uk or samoan passport he would count as the second one. But Sonny had a Samoa passport in the past. Either he lost the citizenship or they dont dare send a millionaire in a consulate lineup.

Ngawati would count as Canadian and federation trained since he would be our first born and bred, so would not count in the 2 quotas. But he still needs a UK work visa.

Good heavens..it's like the Manhattan Project trying to get a full eligible squad convened..

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On 17/02/2020 at 08:17, RobertAM said:

Chatting to some knowledgeable folks at the Ontario Rugby League AGM Saturday night and consensus was that it was shortsighted to have let Quinn leave in the first place as he may well have developed into a handy and quick player. If he is re-signed mebbe we will find out. Also discussed whether some CFL players could be converted to decent RL prospects as it would be faster than training youngsters.

With Ottawa coming in there would at least be a pathway to RL.??

It could be done but the money would have to be right.  Canadian Rugby Union has had a number of converts over the years with football backgrounds, some in very odd positions as well.

Jason Marshall - All-Canadian Quarterback at SFU, converted to Hooker then Prop Forward and played professionally in France and NZ.

Hubert Buydens - All-Canadian Linebacker at USask, switched to Rugby and played professionally in NZ

Jeff Hassler - All-Canadian Running Back, signed on as a Sevens Player, ended up being scouted by Ospreys in Wales and went on to a very successful career.  Was the top try scorer in the Pro14 and a Pro14 dream team member.

Tevaughn Campbell - practiced for a month with Canada Sevens and immediately played in the World Series having never played Rugby before, picked the game up effortlessly.  He is playing in the NFL now.

https://aedelhard.com/blogs/stories/crossing-over-cfler-tevaughn-campbell-the-fastest-man-in-canadian-rugby

The biggest issue will be paying CFL talent appropriately.  Quality of life in the UK is nowhere near as high as it is in Canada and your money just doesn't go as far.

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33 minutes ago, manu266 said:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/51646377

Toronto Wolfpack loan Jack Wells and Ben Kilner from Wigan Warriors

Great. Is that a free loan? I ask due to the salary cap. 

My blog: https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/

It takes wisdom to know when a discussion has run its course.

It takes reasonableness to end that discussion. 

 

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