Abicus Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Squad as above Quotes from the NZ Herald: "The squad is also notable for the retention of veterans Benji Marshall and Kieran Foran, though Warriors' playmaker Kodi Nikorima misses out." "Captain Dallin Watene-Zelezniak was unavailable due to injury, as well as senior prop Jesse Bromwich, centre Esan Marsters and back rower James Fisher-Harris" "There is also a return for Jordan Rapana, Jamayne Isaako, Kevin Proctor and Joseph Tapine, after the quartet weren't involved in the clash with Tonga in June" https://www.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/article.cfm?c_id=79&objectid=12275432 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What do you think? Can this squad beat Australia again, and will it be too strong for the GB Lions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Strong squad with Jesse Bromwich the only real top rank player missing. Good to see Benji in there too. Getting quite excited for this now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: Strong squad with Jesse Bromwich the only real top rank player missing. Good to see Benji in there too. Getting quite excited for this now. Watene- Zelezniak . Either injured or out due to the quota on players with double barrelled names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, DavidM said: Watene- Zelezniak . Either injured or out due to the quota on players with double barrelled names Don’t particularly rate him. Wouldn’t class him as top rank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, DavidM said: Either injured or out due to the quota on players with double barrelled names Is that still less than one? 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunsletgreenandgold Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Be interesting to see how they use RTS and CNK as surely both have to start. Personally I’d like to see CNK at FB and RTS in the centres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abicus Posted October 10, 2019 Author Share Posted October 10, 2019 Worth noting that RTS is in doubt due to the very imminent birth of second child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_57 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 hours ago, DavidM said: Watene- Zelezniak . Either injured or out due to the quota on players with double barrelled names James Fisher-Harris has had a great year in a hit/miss side. One of the best forwards in the NRL this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldcoaster Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 hours ago, DavidM said: Watene- Zelezniak . Either injured or out due to the quota on players with double barrelled names I’ve worked out you can name an entire NZ test 17 with hyphenated names: Dallin Watene-Zelezniak Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad Malakai Watene-Zelezniak Michael Chee-Kam Shaun Kenny-Dowall Roger Tuivasa-Sheck Chanel Harris-Tevita Nelson Asofa-Solomona Jeremy Marshall-King Jared Warea-Hargreaves Corey Harawira-Naera Raymond Faitala-Mariner James Fisher-Harris Henry Lealuga-Puhotau Adding Fonua-Blake Braden Hamlin-Uele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Room Lizard Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Strong in the forwards. Big Nelson is very hard to stopfe. 5 Tries in his Last 6 games for the Storm I think. Brandon Smith is a quality Hooker and has had a great season. GB will have to step up to get the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glossop saint Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 hours ago, goldcoaster said: I’ve worked out you can name an entire NZ test 17 with hyphenated names: Dallin Watene-Zelezniak Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad Malakai Watene-Zelezniak Michael Chee-Kam Shaun Kenny-Dowall Roger Tuivasa-Sheck Chanel Harris-Tevita Nelson Asofa-Solomona Jeremy Marshall-King Jared Warea-Hargreaves Corey Harawira-Naera Raymond Faitala-Mariner James Fisher-Harris Henry Lealuga-Puhotau Adding Fonua-Blake Braden Hamlin-Uele But only if they play with 16? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Interesting that the Tweet captured said "Your Kiwis squad for the end of year international" but when you click on it and hit Twitter it has been updated to "Your Kiwis squad for the end of year international Tests". Seems like they forgot they were playing Great Britain for a bit. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 hours ago, goldcoaster said: I’ve worked out you can name an entire NZ test 17 with hyphenated names: Dallin Watene-Zelezniak Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad Malakai Watene-Zelezniak Michael Chee-Kam Shaun Kenny-Dowall Roger Tuivasa-Sheck Chanel Harris-Tevita Nelson Asofa-Solomona Jeremy Marshall-King Jared Warea-Hargreaves Corey Harawira-Naera Raymond Faitala-Mariner James Fisher-Harris Henry Lealuga-Puhotau Adding Fonua-Blake Braden Hamlin-Uele Impressive work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 12 hours ago, Man of Kent said: Strong squad with Jesse Bromwich the only real top rank player missing. Good to see Benji in there too. Getting quite excited for this now. 6 hours ago, jim_57 said: James Fisher-Harris has had a great year in a hit/miss side. One of the best forwards in the NRL this year. Fisher Harris would definitely be in the 17, he’s been immense this year. If he’d have played in a top team, he’d have got as much praise as the likes of Cameron Murray. Esan Marsters would also be a shoe in, despite an indifferent year. Thats what stood out to me that they only have 1 recognised centre in Manu. Is CNK going to fill in there? Is Whare injured? It’s such a specialist position, I feel they should’ve selected a natural centre at least in the squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, DoubleD said: Fisher Harris would definitely be in the 17, he’s been immense this year. If he’d have played in a top team, he’d have got as much praise as the likes of Cameron Murray. Esan Marsters would also be a shoe in, despite an indifferent year. Thats what stood out to me that they only have 1 recognised centre in Manu. Is CNK going to fill in there? Is Whare injured? It’s such a specialist position, I feel they should’ve selected a natural centre at least in the squad Maybe , or Isaako if Maumalo and Rapana play on the wing . Unless they go the Bateman route and play a second row there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Just now, DavidM said: Maybe , or Isaako if Maumalo and Rapana play on the wing . Unless they go the Bateman route and play a second row there.. There’s no way Isaako is a centre, defensively he isn’t good enough. I’ve been really disappointed with him this year for Brisbane. You'd have to think CNK will play there, otherwise they’re looking at a second row like Nikora perhaps but not sure he’s ever played centre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, DoubleD said: There’s no way Isaako is a centre, defensively he isn’t good enough. I’ve been really disappointed with him this year for Brisbane. You'd have to think CNK will play there, otherwise they’re looking at a second row like Nikora perhaps but not sure he’s ever played centre I’d totally agree . Just exploring the options as they’ve left themselves a hole to fill there . You’d think they’d have been able to find a specialist with their stocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Whatever combination they play from that squad it will be a very big, formidable, fast, and skillful team, as we know the Kiwi's don't travel as well as the form they can produce on home soil. A series win for GB considering it is just the two games so that would be a 2-0 victory for us is no given. Be very interesting to see who will be the ref's for the series, the Kiwi's lets say were accused of some dubious actions in the last series over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 39 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Whatever combination they play from that squad it will be a very big, formidable, fast, and skillful team, as we know the Kiwi's don't travel as well as the form they can produce on home soil. A series win for GB considering it is just the two games so that would be a 2-0 victory for us is no given. Be very interesting to see who will be the ref's for the series, the Kiwi's lets say were accused of some dubious actions in the last series over here. We want a flowing , controversy free series so logically Childs as ref and Hicks as VR . But if I had to guess I’d say Sutton as ref , with Sutton as ref for the Tonga game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldcoaster Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 15 hours ago, DavidM said: Impressive work Maguire would have to give up being coach. Perhaps replaced by Robbie Hunter-Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manfred Mann Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 A very impressive New Zealand squad. There is a big powerful forward pack, headed by props Jared Warea-Hargreaves (Roosters) and Nelson Asofa-Solomona (Storm), with the skilful Storm bench player Brandon Smith at hooker. This Kiwi forward pack will prove a handful for the British. New Zealand also boasts a group of classy halves with a surplus of talent in Shaun Johnson, Keiron Foran, Benji Marshall, and Jarome Hughes, who are each superior to their likely British opponents. In the outside backs there is an outstanding back three, consisting of wingers Ken Maumolo (Dally M winger of 2019) and Canberra's Jordan Rapana, joining one of the best full backs of the modern era in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Dally M player of 2018). The only Kiwi weakness is the lack of one class specialist left centre to partner the outstanding right centre from the Sydney Roosters, Joseph Manu. The in form Canberra full back Charnze Nicol-Klokstadt may fill that centre position made vacant by the withdrawal of Esan Marsters. Overall I regard it as a much stronger team than Great Britain's, especially in the light of the absence of the inspirational Sam Burgess. The star Canberra trio of Josh Hodgson, John Bateman and Elliot Whitehead, as well as the two NRL stars from St.George-Illawarra, Gareth WIddop and James Graham, will have to be at their best if the Lions are to compete with the star studded Kiwis. Frankly I cannot see anything other than a clear and comprehensive Kiwi victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Marshall gets the call-up his season warrants. He's had some fallow years, but he's been a wonder in 2019. Maumalo's a great attacking player, but has errors in him, a bit like Vatuvei did as his predecessor. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Eel Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 13:31, Manfred Mann said: A very impressive New Zealand squad. There is a big powerful forward pack, headed by props Jared Warea-Hargreaves (Roosters) and Nelson Asofa-Solomona (Storm), with the skilful Storm bench player Brandon Smith at hooker. This Kiwi forward pack will prove a handful for the British. New Zealand also boasts a group of classy halves with a surplus of talent in Shaun Johnson, Keiron Foran, Benji Marshall, and Jarome Hughes, who are each superior to their likely British opponents. In the outside backs there is an outstanding back three, consisting of wingers Ken Maumolo (Dally M winger of 2019) and Canberra's Jordan Rapana, joining one of the best full backs of the modern era in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Dally M player of 2018). The only Kiwi weakness is the lack of one class specialist left centre to partner the outstanding right centre from the Sydney Roosters, Joseph Manu. The in form Canberra full back Charnze Nicol-Klokstadt may fill that centre position made vacant by the withdrawal of Esan Marsters. Overall I regard it as a much stronger team than Great Britain's, especially in the light of the absence of the inspirational Sam Burgess. The star Canberra trio of Josh Hodgson, John Bateman and Elliot Whitehead, as well as the two NRL stars from St.George-Illawarra, Gareth WIddop and James Graham, will have to be at their best if the Lions are to compete with the star studded Kiwis. Frankly I cannot see anything other than a clear and comprehensive Kiwi victory. Thompson and Walmsley were incredible last night. They might not have the flair of Sam Burgess, but they make far fewer errors and massive yards. I'd be excited seeing the pair of them in a GB shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manfred Mann Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 On 13/10/2019 at 13:15, Northern Eel said: Thompson and Walmsley were incredible last night. They might not have the flair of Sam Burgess, but they make far fewer errors and massive yards. I'd be excited seeing the pair of them in a GB shirt. Yes, you are correct. But absent Sam Burgess I cannot see the Great Britain pack muscling up enough against the Kiwis to compete. Sam Burgess inspires his team mates when he plays, and that inspiration will be absent. I don't doubt that the impressive James Graham, John Bateman, Josh Hodgson, and Elliot Whitehead will all give their best in the matches. But the Kiwi pack is very intimidating, and I fear that the Kiwis will dominate in the middle of the field, especially if Nelson Asofa-Solomona plays (his future in the squad is in doubt following his alleged involvement in a brawl in Bali a few days ago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southwalesrabbitoh Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Kiwi squad by position :- Full-backs - C Nicoll-Klokstad, R Tuivasa-Sheck Wings - J Issako, K Maumalo, J Rapana Centres - Joseph Manu, C Harawira-Naera Five-eighths - B Marshall, K Foran Half-backs - J Hughes, S Johnson Front-rowers - J Waerea-Hargreaves, I Liu, Z Tetevano, B Hamlin-Uele, N Asofa-Solomona, L Ah Mau Hooker - B Smith Second-rowers - K Proctor, B Nikora, K Bromwich Loose-forward - J Tapine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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