Futtocks Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 50 minutes ago, DavidM said: The biggest advantage is when the WCC is played , before the Premiers have got going at all . But it says a fair bit that for that , and even it’s here Roosters would be favourites and expected to win . Roosters are the best well drilled club side on the planet right now by a fair way Plus even some of the better St Helens sides have sometimes misfired badly in the WCC. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 if saints played the roosters in the middle of a regular season for both teams and they both fielded full strength teams then it would be a cricket score to the roosters see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rupert Prince Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 The WWC is a warm up game for the NRL champions, with a couple of days in there for the visiting players to get a quick view of some snow in February. It will probably disrupt the SL team. Because the WWC is timed by the NRL season it adds in an extra wasted week onto the SL season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 6 hours ago, ELBOWSEYE said: Different comp, different conditions, different refs, they would struggle as all our teams would. Different refs would not be an issue with McManus as a consultant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Wiganer Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 refs would be twice as expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 23 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said: The WWC is a warm up game for the NRL champions, with a couple of days in there for the visiting players to get a quick view of some snow in February. It will probably disrupt the SL team. Because the WWC is timed by the NRL season it adds in an extra wasted week onto the SL season. It is always the British club making the provision to play the fixture ensuring a free weekend, the NRL clubs seemingly refuse to play it within their season structure, considering the NRL clubs have a "bye" week each throughout the season surely when the GF winner's are known by the Ist week in Oct and they don't start the NRL comp untill March they could fit it in ................................... if they were serious about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 43 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: It is always the British club making the provision to play the fixture ensuring a free weekend, the NRL clubs seemingly refuse to play it within their season structure, considering the NRL clubs have a "bye" week each throughout the season surely when the GF winner's are known by the Ist week in Oct and they don't start the NRL comp untill March they could fit it in ................................... if they were serious about it. Aye, but the split weekends that create the byes are scheduled around the State of Origin games, are they not ? "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Griff said: Aye, but the split weekends that create the byes are scheduled around the State of Origin games, are they not ? And they also need an excuse if they lose. Never underestimate the importance to Australians of this factor. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 As always with the WCC. If the Roosters win, the Australians are super human and are miles ahead of us and unbeatable. If Saints win, the Australians don't take it seriously and weren't trying. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I think the incoming coach may have a negative effect at first. New systems and approaches need getting used to. Had it still been Holbrook, I'd have been very intrigued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 48 minutes ago, Dunbar said: As always with the WCC. If the Roosters win, the Australians are super human and are miles ahead of us and unbeatable. If Saints win, the Australians don't take it seriously and weren't trying. Imagine the look on the Australians' faces when they turn up for a "clear the air" and "making sure the referee knows what he's doing" meeting, only for them to find Eammon McManus already there. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Futtocks said: Imagine the look on the Australians' faces when they turn up for a "clear the air" and "making sure the referee knows what he's doing" meeting, only for them to find Eammon McManus already there. It might be the first game of Rugby League ever played when the teams have a referee each! "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dunbar said: It might be the first game of Rugby League ever played when the teams have a referee each! I bet Saints have Kendall already booked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostik Bailey Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 The population would still claim its ######-hole, that Percival isn’t as good as as Newlove, the council is the cause of all the problems.... the sun is too bloody hot, the beach is full of tourists...etc We may be super league champions, we have a shot at club RL world champions, but when it comes to moaning the population of St Helens will beat all-comers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuutaisrambo Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 If the A league soccer champions joined the Premier League they'd get stuffed most weeks.....this is the same. NRL is miles in front of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSN Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 If I was setting the handicap I'd give Saints an 18 point head start. That seems a lot, but you're forgetting this Roosters side were -8 against Canberra on neutral territory after Canberra had just beaten Melbourne and Souths back to back. This Roosters side has the strongest side on paper in NRL history IMHO. I think they are seriously going to struggle next year with salary cap, they've been fortunate with some good youth coming through, smart recruiting and some existing players seeming to step up a level. You go through their team they have: James Tedesco, Dally M winner, man of series SOO 2019 - Probably best player in the world. Cooper Cronk - Multiple grand final winner played for Australia most of his career. Luke Keary - Probably starts for Australia when fit. Manu & Mitchell - I'd put them both in my top 3 centres. Isaac Liu, JWH & Zane Tetevano - All got into NZ squad. Boyd Cordner - NSW SOO captain. Victor Radley - Made NSW squad. Jake Friend - Has been in Australia squad. Brett Morris - Regular in Aus/NSW squad over the last decade. Angus Crichton - Been in NSW squad. That's 13 players who have made international for Aus/NZ or played origin which is ridiculous. Being realistic with Holbrook as coach I'd expect Saints to finish 5 - 8th in the NRL. Player by player I think they would probably have 7th or 8th best side but Holbrooks coaching is exceptional which gives them the potential to go up a few spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Prophet Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 19 hours ago, Dunbar said: As always with the WCC. If the Roosters win, the Australians are super human and are miles ahead of us and unbeatable. If Saints win, the Australians don't take it seriously and weren't trying. Both are true, but you forget that even if the Australians win, they’re still not taking it seriously. To be honest, I’m not even sure the SL teams are taking it 100% seriously themselves these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wind Up Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 hours ago, tuutaisrambo said: If the A league soccer champions joined the Premier League they'd get stuffed most weeks.....this is the same. NRL is miles in front of us Not even remotely the same thing. One index has the Premier League as the No. 1 league in the world and the Australian league as the 67th best league in the world. If you think the difference between NRL and SL is on the same level, you're taking the mickey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuutaisrambo Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr Wind Up said: Not even remotely the same thing. One index has the Premier League as the No. 1 league in the world and the Australian league as the 67th best league in the world. If you think the difference between NRL and SL is on the same level, you're taking the mickey. Ok so replace A league with the Scottish Premier League. Either way the gap in standards week in week out is huge.... would take saints years to get up to speed. We struggle to beat them in the WCC when they've only just reported back for pre season with beer bellys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eal Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Saints would probably finish ahead of the Titans but they would only win 6-8 games in the season. Just think, a St. George-Illawarra Dragons team with international and SOO stars Tyson Frizell, James Graham, Ben Hunt, Corey Norman, Tariq Sims, Cameron McInnes, and Gareth Widdop (admittedly injured a lot) could only manage 8 wins and 16 losses. The gap with the NRL is larger than it has ever been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, eal said: Saints would probably finish ahead of the Titans but they would only win 6-8 games in the season. Just think, a St. George-Illawarra Dragons team with Tyson Frizell, James Graham, Ben Hunt, Tariq Sims, Cameron McInnes, and Gareth Widdop (admittedly injured a lot) could only manage 8 wins and 16 losses. The gap with the NRL is larger than it has ever been. Yeh , Corey Norman , Paul Vaughan , Korbin Sims etc ... not good at all . Can we not turn all this round and have St George come over for a year and play SL and have a chance of winning something ...With a new coach obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, eal said: Saints would probably finish ahead of the Titans but they would only win 6-8 games in the season. Just think, a St. George-Illawarra Dragons team with Tyson Frizell, James Graham, Ben Hunt, Tariq Sims, Cameron McInnes, and Gareth Widdop (admittedly injured a lot) could only manage 8 wins and 16 losses. The gap with the NRL is larger than it has ever been. So is the salary cap,I'm sure the extra £3.2M would allow them to sign the players to make them competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denton Rovers RLFC Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Saints might do ok but it's impossible to know, would you pick the same roster to play in the conditions prevalent to the NRL, probably not. The only way they are getting close to Roosters is if they put in a lot of effort pre season to focus on that instead of the first couple of SL games, Roosters turn up short handed/not bothered/couple of training sessions beforehand AND Stains get their favourite ref to help them out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Ting Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 9 hours ago, tuutaisrambo said: If the A league soccer champions joined the Premier League they'd get stuffed most weeks.....this is the same. NRL is miles in front of us The best of SL would usually fare at the very least average in the NRL. Learn to listen without distortion and learn to look without imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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