graham fisher Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 We’ve just announced that we are going into a dual reg agreement with Hull KR,can’t say I’m happy about it but if you can’t beat them join them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield Ram Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 The problem for me with dual reg is it means how well a team does will be influenced by which club you are DR with and how strong they are. Not criticising Fev but had their DR been with Huddersfield, then I doubt they would have done as well as they did. In reality what they really had was season long loans for their Rhinos players. I wouldn't want rotating HKR fringe players dropped in week to week. Will we get Kyle Trout back? Hope not for his career. Will be interesting to see if any Rams fringe players get a game in HKR reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 55 minutes ago, Wakefield Ram said: The problem for me with dual reg is it means how well a team does will be influenced by which club you are DR with and how strong they are. Not criticising Fev but had their DR been with Huddersfield, then I doubt they would have done as well as they did. In reality what they really had was season long loans for their Rhinos players. I wouldn't want rotating HKR fringe players dropped in week to week. Will we get Kyle Trout back? Hope not for his career. Will be interesting to see if any Rams fringe players get a game in HKR reserves. it will be interesting to find out who you think was on season long loans at FEV and incidentally we had three on loan from huddersfield as well during the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield Ram Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 What I meant was the Rhinos players like McLelland, Sutcliffe, Goulding Albert were with you for longer term loans not just playing the odd game. And suspect they helped more than the Huddersfield loaners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Wakefield Ram said: What I meant was the Rhinos players like McLelland, Sutcliffe, Goulding Albert were with you for longer term loans not just playing the odd game. And suspect they helped more than the Huddersfield loaners. agreed but you've e got to understand that's how FEV use the dr with leeds we don't take players willy nilly on leeds behest just beacause the're leeds players we only take players we want to cover injuries unless leeds recall them because of their injuries like newman they stay as long as we need them gouldings came in after the lad we got on loan from cas went back and has played 16 games in two stints sutcliffe came with 11 games to go for injury to hardcastle but ended up staying cos FEV sent home png lad for being a very naughty boy albert came with 7 games to go for injury to wheeldon and played five games to qualify for playoffs mclleand played a couple of games early on due to inuury but then we got other players on loan he came back with 8 to go because tom holmes got recalled by giants if that hadn't happened then mcllelland would never have come back to FEV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, POR said: agreed but you've e got to understand that's how FEV use the dr with leeds we don't take players willy nilly on leeds behest just beacause the're leeds players we only take players we want to cover injuries unless leeds recall them because of their injuries like newman they stay as long as we need them gouldings came in after the lad we got on loan from cas went back and has played 16 games in two stints sutcliffe came with 11 games to go for injury to hardcastle but ended up staying cos FEV sent home png lad for being a very naughty boy albert came with 7 games to go for injury to wheeldon and played five games to qualify for playoffs mclleand played a couple of games early on due to inuury but then we got other players on loan he came back with 8 to go because tom holmes got recalled by giants if that hadn't happened then mcllelland would never have come back to FEV Albert was actually on loan, not DR, from the beginning of August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gittinsfan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, POR said: agreed but you've e got to understand that's how FEV use the dr with leeds we don't take players willy nilly on leeds behest just beacause the're leeds players we only take players we want to cover injuries unless leeds recall them because of their injuries like newman they stay as long as we need them gouldings came in after the lad we got on loan from cas went back and has played 16 games in two stints sutcliffe came with 11 games to go for injury to hardcastle but ended up staying cos FEV sent home png lad for being a very naughty boy albert came with 7 games to go for injury to wheeldon and played five games to qualify for playoffs mclleand played a couple of games early on due to inuury but then we got other players on loan he came back with 8 to go because tom holmes got recalled by giants if that hadn't happened then mcllelland would never have come back to FEV I was very impressed how Fev used DR last season.Everything was well within the rules. But please do not insult my intelligence by suggesting that DR was only used to cover injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I'm no fan of DR in principle but needs must at the moment: to ignore it is to put ourselves at a disadvantage with similar teams. I reckon Hull KR could make a good tie-up for us, given that we are planning to run with a smaller squad next season (22/23) whilst also offering the potential for fringe players to get a bit of game time in their reserves. From what I hear many SL clubs aren't exactly embracing reserve team football with enthusiasm, preferring their players to get time playing in the Championship, so there may be opportunities for some decent players to come our way (Keinhorst would be very interesting, for example). In addition, having listened to LG's comments about DR and his desire to build a close-knit squad, I don't think that he will be seduced by arbitrary quick fixes. Finally, I understand that this arrangement will be much more financially acceptable than the ones that we have had with Wakefield which, ultimately, became a joke. All in all I see this as a positive. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggy's mate Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Problems arise with running a small squad when injuries bite and playing people out of position because cover from the DR partner isn't available or worse your own players are pushed out by the DR player. I understand why teams do it but I don't think it is beneficial. Touch Rugby W(h)inger and part-time Super Hero (Thursday mornings by appointment) BATLEY BULLDOGS RLFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, Piggy's mate said: Problems arise with running a small squad when injuries bite and playing people out of position because cover from the DR partner isn't available or worse your own players are pushed out by the DR player. I understand why teams do it but I don't think it is beneficial. Would this be any different without DR, PM? Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batley Bob Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Blind side johnny said: Would this be any different without DR, PM? Yes , when we dr with cas , we spent our budget on less players , but allegedly better players , thinking we had 3 players on season long loan from cas plus dr arrangement , only for them to be recalled almost immediately , and never a dr available in positions we were short of . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggy's mate Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Blind side johnny said: Would this be any different without DR, PM? I think so. A player playing out of position for example to cover for an injured team mate would get more support from fans and his other team mates imo. Tomlinson in the Bulldogs has filled in and earned the plaudits from most Batley fans for his efforts Touch Rugby W(h)inger and part-time Super Hero (Thursday mornings by appointment) BATLEY BULLDOGS RLFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Blind side johnny said: I'm no fan of DR in principle but needs must at the moment: to ignore it is to put ourselves at a disadvantage with similar teams. I reckon Hull KR could make a good tie-up for us, given that we are planning to run with a smaller squad next season (22/23) whilst also offering the potential for fringe players to get a bit of game time in their reserves. From what I hear many SL clubs aren't exactly embracing reserve team football with enthusiasm, preferring their players to get time playing in the Championship, so there may be opportunities for some decent players to come our way (Keinhorst would be very interesting, for example). In addition, having listened to LG's comments about DR and his desire to build a close-knit squad, I don't think that he will be seduced by arbitrary quick fixes. Finally, I understand that this arrangement will be much more financially acceptable than the ones that we have had with Wakefield which, ultimately, became a joke. All in all I see this as a positive. Might be some competition for his services. Tony Smith: “Currently a few our players, namely Will Oakes, Elliot Wallis and Jimmy Keinhorst, have been granted the opportunity to go out and seek first-team rugby for the 2020 campaign, elsewhere, via year-long loans." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggy's mate Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 57 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: Might be some competition for his services. Tony Smith: “Currently a few our players, namely Will Oakes, Elliot Wallis and Jimmy Keinhorst, have been granted the opportunity to go out and seek first-team rugby for the 2020 campaign, elsewhere, via year-long loans." You can have all three if you get your hands on your pockets.. Touch Rugby W(h)inger and part-time Super Hero (Thursday mornings by appointment) BATLEY BULLDOGS RLFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Piggy's mate said: You can have all three if you get your hands on your pockets.. Who's pockets? Not mine, I trust. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Piggy's mate said: I think so. A player playing out of position for example to cover for an injured team mate would get more support from fans and his other team mates imo. Tomlinson in the Bulldogs has filled in and earned the plaudits from most Batley fans for his efforts Fair point although I did qualify my comments by saying that I still don't like DR in principle but, if everyone else is doing it then a club might be foolish to make a stand. Maybe Batley are going to do this this year, are they? (I hear that Huddersfield and Halifax are linking up.) Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crown Flatter Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I’ve never been keen on Dual Reg, but worked well with Ray & Ray and Ron & Ron! Legs, Dews, Legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverback Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 wish they would do away with DR,not sure if we even used it other than russell for 2 games,think others were loans, limit loans to 2 and get rid a DR, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 this is the first year that all the dr rules can come into force now we got reesrves a player registered with a club may play in the reserve grade team of another club subject to a reserve dual registration specified by the rfl so next year we're going to see FEV rhinos reserves in reality it means any club from the championship or league 1 can send players on dr to any reserve team even if they are not in a dr arrangement with that team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainley Top Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, POR said: this is the first year that all the dr rules can come into force now we got reesrves a player registered with a club may play in the reserve grade team of another club subject to a reserve dual registration specified by the rfl so next year we're going to see FEV rhinos reserves in reality it means any club from the championship or league 1 can send players on dr to any reserve team even if they are not in a dr arrangement with that team What a mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, POR said: this is the first year that all the dr rules can come into force now we got reesrves a player registered with a club may play in the reserve grade team of another club subject to a reserve dual registration specified by the rfl so next year we're going to see FEV rhinos reserves in reality it means any club from the championship or league 1 can send players on dr to any reserve team even if they are not in a dr arrangement with that team Does a "regular" DR arrangement cover this facility as well or is a separate agreement necessary? Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said: Does a "regular" DR arrangement cover this facility as well or is a separate agreement necessary? I'm pretty sure the Reserve system and normal DR systems are completely separate entities - see my posts on the Reserves thread on the Fev forum where I've attached the relevant sections of the Op Rules (if you haven't already). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOGFATHER Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 On 16/10/2019 at 20:30, POR said: agreed but you've got to understand that's how FEV use the dr with leeds we don't take players willy nilly on leeds behest just beacause the're leeds players... I'm trying to work out whether this is a wind up, or you really believe the drivel you have written?!? Singleton played his one and only game for Fev against us at the beginning of the season, I don't know how you have the cheek to be giving it large with the "that's how FEV use DR"... Not at Leeds behest indeed.... You'll be telling us next, that Briscoe was surplus to Fev's requirements so you decided to let Leeds sign him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Wonder if some of those players just transferred from Bradford to HKR will end up with you on DR next season........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield Ram Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: Wonder if some of those players just transferred from Bradford to HKR will end up with you on DR next season........ Probably.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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