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Rhinos Salary Cap Breach

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Surely Wigan's breach by paying agents fees is quite different to updating players contracts, paying them accordingly but not registering the new contracts until the end of the year?

 

Edit: Aimed at those saying the Wigan breach of earlier this year is similar.

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10 minutes ago, johnh1 said:

Not at all Gav. What is your view on this then, rather than slagging me off?

 

Salford's breaches were intentional. Wigan's and Leeds' were genuine administrative errors. Leeds' punishment was what was agreed and voted upon by the Super League clubs *themselves*.

This has been explained to you at least three times.

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11 minutes ago, johnh1 said:

They were all breaches. Salford received their points deduction at the back end of the regular season and nearly got relegated because of it. Why shouldn’t Leeds receive a points deduction?

Because the rules state it has to be over a certain amount before points deductions take place.

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5 minutes ago, Oliver Clothesoff said:

It really shows how poorly Leeds have been managed if they’ve managed to exceed the salary cap with that 2018 team. Some ridiculous wages at average players must have been thrown around by them. 

The players were Jack Walker and Luke Briscoe who’s contracts went from part time to full time and Matt Parcell who had a contract upgrade, not sure how they managed to submit the correct monthly upgraded wages but not submit the new contracts.

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1 hour ago, johnh1 said:

They were all breaches. Salford received their points deduction at the back end of the regular season and nearly got relegated because of it. Why shouldn’t Leeds receive a points deduction?

John have you read the RFL statement? It literally explains why they didn’t get a points deduction. 

Think of financial breaches the same as on field breaches of the rules. It’s the equivalent to saying ‘why did he get for 1 game for a high tackle when ours got banned for 5 for biting?’ Both are against the rules however one is less severe than the other and 1 you could argue was accidental whereas the other almost certainly was deliberate. 

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1 hour ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

It's following the rules the clubs wanted -

 

Thanks for posting the rule, something I hadn't come across before!

I can't say I am a fan of that rule. £95,000 is a high level of benefit given to exceeding the cap.

Also, the "live" salary cap management doesn't seem to be working too well either.

Finally, it's also damning of Leeds 2018 season that they exceeded the cap!


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14 minutes ago, Chris22 said:

I can't say I am a fan of that rule. £95,000 is a high level of benefit given to exceeding the cap.

It's almost as if they all know there is a good chance of doing the same breaches... 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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8 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

It was simply an admin error, they didn’t update the RFL of changes to a couple of players wages straight away as should be done with a live cap 

Or they knew it would go over and conveniently forgot to tell the RFL 😜 

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3 hours ago, Oliver Clothesoff said:

Well, they’re not getting a points deduction, it’ll be a fine. 

The article explains they have revised the rules on points deduction.

The charges seem fair enough.  It's clear that sometimes these complicated rules cause problems.

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1 minute ago, Rupert Prince said:

The article explains that Pollard and his b*tch Elstone have revised the rules on points deduction.

The charges seem fair enough.  It's clear that sometimes these complicated rules cause problems.

Corrected for you. 

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1 hour ago, johnh1 said:

They were all breaches. Salford received their points deduction at the back end of the regular season and nearly got relegated because of it. Why shouldn’t Leeds receive a points deduction?

Are you thick or what?

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Worrying thing is they could have avoided the situation by Loaning a player out. Is that really allowed.

 

"We had no idea we had exceeded the 'live' cap at the time and, with hindsight, we could have averted the breach by loaning out a player to another club."

 

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Shame.

I had a lot of respect for Leeds as they were the only SL title-winning club NOT to have broken the cap.   For me that meant a lot in terms of integrity.

No more the clean-cut, example-setting darlings of the RFL... 😊

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10 minutes ago, Cheshire Setter said:

Shame.

I had a lot of respect for Leeds as they were the only SL title-winning club NOT to have broken the cap.   For me that meant a lot in terms of integrity.

No more the clean-cut, example-setting darlings of the RFL... 😊

The irony being we managed to Win all those titles by staying under the cap, and we go and break the cap whilst nearly being relegated!

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2 hours ago, johnh1 said:

They were all breaches. Salford received their points deduction at the back end of the regular season and nearly got relegated because of it. Why shouldn’t Leeds receive a points deduction?

John. Mate, let it go. I have fabulous memories of this season. Even the GF, where we were so close that a single different decision could have had Saints in flat-out panic mode and who knows what would have happened? If you keep looking for conspiracies, you will find them and it will sour your memories of 2019, the best season I have known as a Salford fan.

Cherish the good and let the bad go.

Enjoy the winter and "Look out, Super League! The Salford Reds are rising!"

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25 minutes ago, Havenwarrior said:

Worrying thing is they could have avoided the situation by Loaning a player out. Is that really allowed.

 

"We had no idea we had exceeded the 'live' cap at the time and, with hindsight, we could have averted the breach by loaning out a player to another club."

 

HW

Yes. They still count the whole of the player's salary on their cap spend but can offset what the loaning club agree to pay against the grand total.

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2 hours ago, Oliver Clothesoff said:

It really shows how poorly Leeds have been managed if they’ve managed to exceed the salary cap with that 2018 team. Some ridiculous wages at average players must have been thrown around by them. 

Cunningham’s squad were paid up to the cap. 

It is a sound principle to make the punishment fit the crime. 

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4 hours ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

Wigan fans will be thrilled to know there will be no points deduction. 

Not as much as Salford fans!


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