Wayne Bennetts future decided on several issues

[Rupert Prince]

15 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

Nothing to do with summer switch, all major grassroots Sports are struggling with the changing society 

I'm not sure summer rugby has been a success.  

But referring back might be difficult now.  

[Eddie]

24 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:

Kids don’t have to be playing in costly league arrangements at first.  Playing every 3 or 4 weeks in tournaments if good enough.  From those, local arrangements/matches can be made.

It doesn’t take mega bucks but it needs Volunteers. 

 

Ok but getting volunteers is hard, especially in new areas. 

[Lowdesert]

13 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

It needs something else too: kids being inspired to want to play in the first place.  In the era when they all see continental-scale competitions like the Champions League, UEFA League and Heineken Cup as standard fare, how do you expect a sport which outsiders think (in and when they ever think of it that is) is a small time regional game with limited appeal to give that inspiration and desire to play to those kids?

Do kids think RL is a small time regional game?  Very Parkyesque.

[Lowdesert]

1 minute ago, Eddie said:

Ok but getting volunteers is hard, especially in new areas. 

It is mate, but get the kids playing and a parent or two will volunteer.  Many are just waiting to be asked.  It’s a big challenge to maintain though.

[Big Picture]

14 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:

Do kids think RL is a small time regional game?  Very Parkyesque.

Chances are that they do if they ever compare it to those other sports.  Other posters here who live outside the game's traditional heartland have said that in talking about the game with neighbours and work colleagues yjru found that the majority don't know anything about the game and most of the others have that negative view of it, so chances are that those others' kids have the same mix of lack of awareness and indifference/disinterest.

[Lowdesert]

13 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

Chances are that they do if they ever compare it to those other sports.  Other posters here who live outside the game's traditional heartland have said that in talking about the game with neighbours and work colleagues yjru found that the majority don't know anything about the game and most of the others have that negative view of it, so chances are that those others' kids have the same mix of lack of awareness and indifference/disinterest.

Sorry mate, nothing personal but tripe.

 

[RP London]

25 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

Chances are that they do if they ever compare it to those other sports.  Other posters here who live outside the game's traditional heartland have said that in talking about the game with neighbours and work colleagues yjru found that the majority don't know anything about the game and most of the others have that negative view of it, so chances are that those others' kids have the same mix of lack of awareness and indifference/disinterest.

you could say the same about hockey but our local club side get about 9 adult male sides out and their junior teams are packed full of kids.. I wish our Rugby club was the same.. they also have a thriving female set up i just know less about it as my nephew plays down there so I am aware of the mens, however, if he didnt play down there neither myself nor my brother would be aware they existed, numbers would be the same though.

[The Future is League]

9 hours ago, MatthewWoody said:

Those "plastic" teams can actually be more competitive than France.

Having plastic teams offers zero growth for Rugby League

[Lowdesert]

Reporting in Australia that WB is finishing after the PNG game.

[Human Punk]

Here's hoping.

[Lowdesert]

Be careful what you wish for.  He hasn’t had a full strength squad to go with this time.

Both assistants are relatively new to the International game.  Although I champion the assistant stepping up into the job, the England squad has had several including an Aussie or two.  Scully, Anderson, Watson, Danny Ward.

personally, I don’t think we can look beyond Powell or Wane.....in England.

[Chrispmartha]

7 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:

Be careful what you wish for.  He hasn’t had a full strength squad to go with this time.

Both assistants are relatively new to the International game.  Although I champion the assistant stepping up into the job, the England squad has had several including an Aussie or two.  Scully, Anderson, Watson, Danny Ward.

personally, I don’t think we can look beyond Powell or Wane.....in England.

He hasn’t had a full strength squad so he calls for a specialist winger to fly 10,000 miles to join them (having only just come back from Australia) to not put him in the squad

[Lowdesert]

2 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

He hasn’t had a full strength squad so he calls for a specialist winger to fly 10,000 miles to join them (having only just come back from Australia) to not put him in the squad

See above.  

I think he’s been confused on what he could and couldn’t do.  Remember his quote regarding Grace when he said he didn’t know if he could or couldn’t call him up.

Two Leeds guys over there, they might have arranged it in case of someone not being match fit.

[Oliver Clothesoff]

Sack Bennett and Sinfield. 

[Chrispmartha]

32 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:

 

I think he’s been confused on what he could and couldn’t do.  

A ringing endorsement for the coach right there!

[Lowdesert]

1 hour ago, Chrispmartha said:

A ringing endorsement for the coach right there!

Maybe.  I suppose if you don’t like him then every bit of dung sticks.

There might be rules around a touring international squad and adding players as well as times you add them.  I’m unsure.

anyway, Handley isn’t  playing.

[Denton Rovers RLFC]

On 11/11/2019 at 13:24, The Future is League said:

This past season Salford didn't have an academy team and Hull FC and Hull KR had a joint academy in a Rugby League city like Hull. Yet Newcastle and London run academies. How long has Rugby League been played in Hull and Salford?

Pathetic from Salford and the Hull clubs in my opinion.

how many players does each academy produce to SL or CH level should be more of an indicator, the joint CoHA was meant to reduce costs/shared facilities whilst still having similar number of players AFAICT. 

The actuality is that Hull is in fact smaller than the Wakefield and Wigan metropolitan areas' and indeed Warrington Borough is only a handful of thousand smaller than Hull too, so in reality we punch above our weight having two SL teams in an area that isn't by any stretch well off. Yyes rugby has been around for over 150 years in FCs case but that is meaningless, it's what is currently happening, what money there is now and where a club prioritises that money. 

A lot of fans want to go back to separate academies but honestly, the finances are being propped up at HKR by the council and crash for cash and FC are just about staying head above water.

 

As for Bennett, outstayed his welcome and by 2 years already, blew the chance of winning the WC with some terrible decision making. Sinfield isn't worth 10% of whatever he's been paid, a mouthpiece yes man, when he gets his beak out of Bennett's orifice he can go do one as well, what does he actually bring/do for his money?? Clearly incapable of grasping that certain players missing is not an excuse, especially when best case they were already on the wane in any case, failed to bring through and play players who should have been there in 2017, never mind 2019, ignores the outstanding efforts of some players and the poor performances of the golden children ever mind his exceptionally poor positioning of said players.

The way things are it's the first time in a long time were I've thought, do you know what, I'm not enthused to go to the next lot of home internationals because we are dog do and look like a team run by a Saturday pub team coach who has no players to choose from because half of them are doing a shift down t' local factory.

[Denton Rovers RLFC]

On 11/11/2019 at 13:30, The Future is League said:

How long has Rugby League been played in Salford?

How long has Rugby League been played in London?

How long has Rugby League been played in Newcastle?

Irrelevant

irrelevant

Irrelevant

[Denton Rovers RLFC]

3 hours ago, Lowdesert said:

Reporting in Australia that WB is finishing after the PNG game.

[DoubleD]

26 minutes ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

how many players does each academy produce to SL or CH level should be more of an indicator, the joint CoHA was meant to reduce costs/shared facilities whilst still having similar number of players AFAICT. 

The actuality is that Hull is in fact smaller than the Wakefield and Wigan metropolitan areas' and indeed Warrington Borough is only a handful of thousand smaller than Hull too, so in reality we punch above our weight having two SL teams in an area that isn't by any stretch well off. Yyes rugby has been around for over 150 years in FCs case but that is meaningless, it's what is currently happening, what money there is now and where a club prioritises that money. 

A lot of fans want to go back to separate academies but honestly, the finances are being propped up at HKR by the council and crash for cash and FC are just about staying head above water.

 

As for Bennett, outstayed his welcome and by 2 years already, blew the chance of winning the WC with some terrible decision making. Sinfield isn't worth 10% of whatever he's been paid, a mouthpiece yes man, when he gets his beak out of Bennett's orifice he can go do one as well, what does he actually bring/do for his money?? Clearly incapable of grasping that certain players missing is not an excuse, especially when best case they were already on the wane in any case, failed to bring through and play players who should have been there in 2017, never mind 2019, ignores the outstanding efforts of some players and the poor performances of the golden children ever mind his exceptionally poor positioning of said players.

The way things are it's the first time in a long time were I've thought, do you know what, I'm not enthused to go to the next lot of home internationals because we are dog do and look like a team run by a Saturday pub team coach who has no players to choose from because half of them are doing a shift down t' local factory.

Sitting on the fence then i see?

[Denton Rovers RLFC]

3 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

Sitting on the fence then i see?

Do I give that impression ever?

[Tex Evans Thigh]

Lose by 6 in a World Cup final in Australia

Beat NZ in a test series

All going well.

Lose a couple of games on a poorly organized tour and it's major overhaul time.

Should we be looking to produce more players? Of course. Sadly, we don't have the resources as a sport to invest more in participation and then well funded coaching for this expanded participation base. Unless that happens it's not going to improve.

So can we improve the players we do attract? Yes, probably. I don't think the coaching kids get in the UK is as good as they get in Australia. More money required for better facilities and coaching education. 

There is a workaround to this, which has been happening organically anyway. Get more of our players in NRL systems from an early age. We've seen that improve us in the past few year to the point where we are very competitive when we don't have injuries. The problem of depth requires a big increase in funding and change to how the sport is viewed in the UK.

As we are now, I think we do well to get there and compete as a minority sport in the UK. 

Bennett was great but seems to have run his race. Powell would be my vote to give us the best chance of victory next year against an Australia team who must also be having a major overhaul of their whole system after losing to Tonga by a similar scoreline to GB.

[OMEGA]

I never would have appointed him but I’d have sacked him after his first week when he started trying to persuade a host of has been Australians to make themselves available for England. The Morris twins, Trent Hodgkinson, Chris Heighington, Chris McQueen to name most of them.

He then went on to ignore the form of Super League based players in favour of NRL players because he doesn’t rate Super League.

He asked where we’ve been hiding Tommy Makinson despite Makinson being outstanding for nearly a decade at one of Super Leagues top clubs. Then he has to ask Tom Johnstone who he is when he turned up for England training last year. Totally disrespectful and ignorant!

His treatment of Mark Percival has also been poor.

His safety first tactics have also seen in form players overlooked because he wants to play money ball with his selection processes.

Don't throw the World Cup in as an argument, he had the best England team for a while at his disposal and was up against a poor Australian team. Once again his conservative selections meant we were missing a more attacking edge and we missed out on a superb opportunity to end the drought. Some will be happy with a 6-0 loss but for me it was thrown away under Bennett.

We've now got Australians playing for Great Britain, no disrespect to them but it’s a travesty that they’ve been selected. It pi**es on the tradition of the Lions of the past and cheapens the honour.

Last but not least, Bennett’s truculent demeanour with the press which was downright disrespectful and rude at times is totally unacceptable anywhere but in the U.K. it’s also very very damaging to the sport! The NRL may well get away with it and they’d still get 8 pages of coverage in the National newspapers. Here in the UK we can’t afford to alienate the press and its reporters, doesn’t he understand that!

Bennett’s been a genius Coach at domestic level, one of the best ever but the  blokes rep record is average at best. He’s had charge of two of World sports most dominant representative teams in Queensland & Australia but other coaches have a far better win/loss record than him.

He should never have been appointed and now he needs to go, taking Sinfield with him!

[Scubby]

1 hour ago, Tex Evans Thigh said:

Lose by 6 in a World Cup final in Australia

Beat NZ in a test series

All going well.

Lose a couple of games on a poorly organized tour and it's major overhaul time.

Should we be looking to produce more players? Of course. Sadly, we don't have the resources as a sport to invest more in participation and then well funded coaching for this expanded participation base. Unless that happens it's not going to improve.

So can we improve the players we do attract? Yes, probably. I don't think the coaching kids get in the UK is as good as they get in Australia. More money required for better facilities and coaching education. 

There is a workaround to this, which has been happening organically anyway. Get more of our players in NRL systems from an early age. We've seen that improve us in the past few year to the point where we are very competitive when we don't have injuries. The problem of depth requires a big increase in funding and change to how the sport is viewed in the UK.

As we are now, I think we do well to get there and compete as a minority sport in the UK. 

Bennett was great but seems to have run his race. Powell would be my vote to give us the best chance of victory next year against an Australia team who must also be having a major overhaul of their whole system after losing to Tonga by a similar scoreline to GB.

We did lose 34-0 in the last test too unless you missed that. So it is 0-34, 6-14, 8-12, 8-23. Points scored 20, points conceded 83. Hardly lose a couple of games. We have played 5 halves of rugby out of the last 8 and haven't scored a try.

[Tex Evans Thigh]

1 minute ago, Scubby said:

We did lose 34-0 in the last test too unless you missed that. So it is 0-34, 6-14, 8-12, 8-23. Points scored 20, points conceded 83. Hardly lose a couple of games. We have played 5 halves of rugby out of the last 8 and haven't scored a try.

No I didn't miss that but thanks for reminding me. That scoreline was a little misleading too, we had a few tries disallowed and were a lot better than the score suggests but yes it clearly wasn't a great individual result.

Anyway, my point is we have good players and this seems to be a form/selection thing which is probably why Bennett should take some of the blame. I don't buy into the systemic crisis reaction and those issues that are systemic aren't going to remedy themselves in the near future.