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Clubs should be allowed to be invited into Super league

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That's not to say that we should do away with promotion/relegation. I propose a two track system. Promotion/Relegation as standard, however if there is a club which could immediately contribute to the commercial value and overall health of the sport then SL should be allowed to invite that club to be fast tracked into the competition. 

Yes, I believe both means of elevation to Super League can exist side by side. In the scenario that you have a two track system, promotion/relegation will guarantee you a place in the league through on field performance. Therefore the door to SL will not be closed to any club that earns it. 

On the same note I do feel that the sport should be able to move much quicker to accommodate clubs with good governance that bring value to the sport. The two which spring to mind immediately are Newcastle and Toulouse, the sport stands to gain massively by inviting both entities into the SL comp. In Newcastle's case they would bring interest and eyeballs onto the sport from the heavily populated north east region, they have a strong academy system which produces players and would produce even more top players with the exposure that SL would bring. Added to that they have a very good management group and a top class stadium. Rugby League in the North East and nationally would benefit from their addition. 

Toulouse have demonstrated for years that they have a competent management group, it's a huge city with a thriving business economy, adding them would contribute to the health of the french national team, providing them with more players and give them an opportunity to be natural competitors to England RL. Their addition would add value to the competition in the french tv market where I feel that just one club is not going to get tv stations to pay a tv deal to screen SL.

We need to start thinking outside the box, there is more than one way to do things and this is a good blend and mix of the benefits of franchising and the jeopardy of promotion/relegation that some people love.

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Terrible idea, if they’re not good enough to be promoted they’re not good enough for SL. Toronto were asked to go from L1 and look at them now, they’re a lot stronger for it. 

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Newcastle and Toulouse are mentioned in the opening post. Why are both relatively strong as they are? Because they’ve been allowed to grow slowly and “learn to walk before they run” rather than being shoved in Super League before they’re ready. 

 

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We need to decide where we want to go as a sport (or at least Super League does).

Does it want promotion and relegation were any team can go up or down?

Or does it want to be strategic and look at elevating clubs based on crowds, potential, exposure, location ect

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13 minutes ago, Mr Plow said:

We need to decide where we want to go as a sport (or at least Super League does).

Does it want promotion and relegation were any team can go up or down?

Or does it want to be strategic and look at elevating clubs based on crowds, potential, exposure, location ect

Why can’t they do both?

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I don't like fast tracking. It doesn't get credibility from within the sport, so it's almost doomed before it starts.

If you're promoted, you go up with momentum.

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2 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

I don't like fast tracking. It doesn't get credibility from within the sport, so it's almost doomed before it starts.

If you're promoted, you go up with momentum.

In fairness, it can work if done well. Look at Les Dracs. A huge success overall.

Also, TWP if allowed to go into SL off the bat would probably have done fine in their second season. First one would have been tough though.

While P and R is exciting, I don't feel it's a great way to grow the game. 

As long as a proposal is well financed and makes sense, I'm open to fast tracking. 

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People focus on the getting up like that is the big issue.

Any club can spend big and go up for a year, we have seen it numerous times. It's the staying up that is the problem  and the giving the clubs the time to build long term.

We are never going to maximise the value of overseas rights when those clubs are at risk of relegation. 

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20 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

People focus on the getting up like that is the big issue.

Any club can spend big and go up for a year, we have seen it numerous times. It's the staying up that is the problem  and the giving the clubs the time to build long term.

We are never going to maximise the value of overseas rights when those clubs are at risk of relegation. 

Agree. TV deals will Want  guaranteed French or Canadian / US involvement. 

Look at the Warriors in NZ they have some really bad years yet overall have done alot for NZRL as the depth of talent they develop is huge for NRL and SL. 

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4 hours ago, Mr Plow said:

We need to decide where we want to go as a sport (or at least Super League does).

Does it want promotion and relegation were any team can go up or down?

Or does it want to be strategic and look at elevating clubs based on crowds, potential, exposure, location ect

Who is ' we ' ?

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16 minutes ago, Mr Plow said:

The sport as a whole, what do fans, RFL, Super League, players ect want

They want the sport to grow , expand and become richer , they also want their particular section of the game to be a part of this growth 

Do you have a particular interest in an individual part of RL ?

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57 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

They want the sport to grow , expand and become richer , they also want their particular section of the game to be a part of this growth 

Do you have a particular interest in an individual part of RL ?

I want that but it’s just a case of how does it get there?

Should we fast track some teams to SL based on certain criteria?

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1 minute ago, Mr Plow said:

I want that but it’s just a case of how does it get there?

Should we fast track some teams to SL based on certain criteria?

Your particular interest is ?

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Absolute tosh. So what your saying is if someone comes into a bit of money they should replace a club with over a hundred years of history. Weren’t Gateshead Paris Widnes all fast tracked


sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward

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If we have fast tracking should we also be able to fast track clubs out of SL ie those that do not attract crowds, have poor facilities, do not have a decent academy system/development path, have poor marketing/promotional teams, etc etc

 

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The Premier League is about twenty clubs. There are about forty clubs who would be decent sized Premier League clubs and they choose which ones by promotion and relegation.

Super League is twelve of fourteen clubs. There are about seven clubs who can be decent sized Super League. The problem is not how we choose them.

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1 hour ago, DEANO said:

Absolute tosh. So what your saying is if someone comes into a bit of money they should replace a club with over a hundred years of history. Weren’t Gateshead Paris Widnes all fast tracked

So what if someone has 100 years of history? Does that entitle them to sit back demanding that everyone owes them a living? 
 

We need to get tougher and adopt a ‘shape up or pass off’ attitude. 
 

 

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Eh!!!  Replace them when they finish in a relegation spot. 


sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward

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2 hours ago, Bob8 said:

The Premier League is about twenty clubs. There are about forty clubs who would be decent sized Premier League clubs and they choose which ones by promotion and relegation.

Super League is twelve of fourteen clubs. There are about seven clubs who can be decent sized Super League. The problem is not how we choose them.

Please define a 'decent sized Super League' club.

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10 hours ago, Eddie said:

Terrible idea, if they’re not good enough to be promoted they’re not good enough for SL. Toronto were asked to go from L1 and look at them now, they’re a lot stronger for it. 

Clubs in the past who have been promoted to SL haven't been good enough for SL.

Being the best at one level doesn't mean you are good for the next level.

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