Don’t Expect NRL To Take Internationals Seriously...

[The Great Dane]

7 hours ago, aj1908 said:

Nswrl tried to kick out wests too lol

But when it came to actually pulling the trigger they didn't did they. . . So I don't see what your point is.

7 hours ago, aj1908 said:

The two most successful Sydney sides - dragons and south's, they merged one and killed off.the other.   Would ask so that to Collingwood or Carlton.

One of which was basically living on borrowed time by the 90s, and who only do as well as they do now because they just happen to have a loaded Hollywood superstar who was not only a massive fan, but also willing to throw away more money then most people make in a lifetime propping them up.

The other which were crippled by having another club being allowed into the competition that split their market in half, and who haven't really been hot ever since.

On field success should never come into these sorts of discussions, the only things that matter is who is best for the competition, and realistically the NRL doesn't need two clubs each in Eastern and Southern Sydney. 

[aj1908]

11 minutes ago, The Great Dane said:

But when it came to actually pulling the trigger they didn't did they. . . So I don't see what your point is.

One of which was basically living on borrowed time by the 90s, and who only do as well as they do now because they just happen to have a loaded Hollywood superstar who was not only a massive fan, but also willing to throw away more money then most people make in a lifetime propping them up.

The other which were crippled by having another club being allowed into the competition that split their market in half, and who haven't really been hot ever since.

On field success should never come into these sorts of discussions, the only things that matter is who is best for the competition, and realistically the NRL doesn't need two clubs each in Eastern and Southern Sydney. 

They did pull the trigger on wests lol.they won the case in court.

You think south's are a success because crowe puts in money into them ? Lol

I'm talking about which clubs have the biggest fan bases and history.  Balmain  were another popular club killed off.

I'm surprised.they didn't merge parra and Penrith just to really kill.off.lesgue I'm sydney

[The Great Dane]

6 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

As for Cronulla adding nothing... I would suggest a professional rugby league club representing one of Australia’s five largest rl participation areas (also Australia’s largest soccer participation zone)  is far from adding nothing. Premiership success does not allow a rite of passage. Nor does Souths and Saints combined have anywhere near the following of Carlton or Collingwood... or Essendon, or Richmond, or Hawthorn.

To be fair he kind of has a point.

Cronulla were allowed into the competition literally as a ploy by the other clubs to split the Dragons target market and juniors base in half and thus weaken the Dragons, and it worked.

So because of jealousy and stupidity we now have two relatively weak clubs in place of one really strong one.

However where he goes wrong is the assumption that because the Dragons came first and have won more premierships that they are more important and/or more entitled to keep their spot in the competition while the Sharks get moved on, which isn't necessarily true.

[aj1908]

2 minutes ago, The Great Dane said:

To be fair he kind of has a point.

Cronulla were allowed into the competition literally as a ploy by the other clubs to split the Dragons target market and juniors base in half and thus weaken the Dragons, and it worked.

So because of jealousy and stupidity we now have two relatively weak clubs in place of one really strong one.

However where he goes wrong is the assumption that because the Dragons came first and have won more premierships that they are more important and/or more entitled to keep their spot in the competition while the Sharks get moved on, which isn't necessarily true.

Why not ? If you had to pick one club in southern Sydney which one ? 

They brought in limited tackles too to stop the dragons lol.vs unlimited tackles 

[The Great Dane]

Just now, aj1908 said:

They did pull the trigger on wests lol.they won the case in court.

That ruling was overturned on appeal, but instead of the NSWRL kicking them straight back out of the competition they allowed them to stay and play out of Campbelltown (a deal which they stole from the Jets BTW).

3 minutes ago, aj1908 said:

You think south's are a success because crowe puts in money into them ? Lol

Souths only still exist as Souths because of Crowe and Holmes à Court.

Souths went within a bees dick of finally going broke and the license being brought by John Singleton and relocated to Gosford in 06, the only thing that stopped that happening is Crowe and Holmes à Court making an offer for the club and the clubs members voting for the sale to go ahead.

And yes everything that Souths currently has is built on the investment that Crowe, Holmes à Court, and now James Packer has invested into the club.

[aj1908]

5 minutes ago, The Great Dane said:

That ruling was overturned on appeal, but instead of the NSWRL kicking them straight back out of the competition they allowed them to stay and play out of Campbelltown (a deal which they stole from the Jets BTW).

Souths only still exist as Souths because of Crowe and Holmes à Court.

Souths went within a bees dick of finally going broke and the license being brought by John Singleton and relocated to Gosford in 06, the only thing that stopped that happening is Crowe and Holmes à Court making an offer for the club and the clubs members voting for the sale to go ahead.

And yes everything that Souths currently has is built on the investment that Crowe, Holmes à Court, and now James Packer has invested into the club.

The club usually makes a small profit without the owners contributing anything or having a leagues clubs 

Purely on having the second highest membership.in the nrl and massive corporate income 

And will.increase further when they leave Redfern.oval for their new coe in mascot 

And on wests so I'm right.  They did try to kick them out. 

 

[The Great Dane]

9 minutes ago, aj1908 said:

Why not ? If you had to pick one club in southern Sydney which one ?

Frankly, the public doesn't have enough information about each club to be able to pass judgment on such things.

However taking things at face value, I reckon that the best outcome for everybody would probably be for the Dragons to relocate to Wollongong full time and for Cronulla to effectively take over the southern Sydney market.

Both would have to go through minor re-brands to better represent their new target audience, and a discussion would have to be had about the Sharks maybe moving to Kogarah Oval, but that'd probably be the best outcome in my opinion. 

[aj1908]

1 minute ago, The Great Dane said:

Frankly, the public doesn't have enough information about each club to be able to pass judgment on such things.

However taking things at face value, I reckon that the best outcome for everybody would probably be for the Dragons to relocate to Wollongong full time and for Cronulla to effectively take over the southern Sydney market.

Both would have to go through minor re-brands to better represent their new target audience, and a discussion would have to be had about the Sharks maybe moving to Kogarah Oval, but that'd probably be the best outcome in my opinion. 

Interesting.

Poor Steelers they got robbed hard. Illawarra should.have their own side 

[aj1908]

7 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

Australian Rules has always been a bigger sport. Pre swans, the Sydney Football League in the 70s would get 15k to finals at Trumper Park in Paddington. News reports in Sydney always included the VFL weekend results. Neither of those would come close to happening for league outside of NSW or Queensland. So no, RL was in no way number one in 95, let alone by a long way.

By time of SL war, AFL took its advantage in mid 90s and we’re supported with Sydney GF appearances in 96, 05 & 06, whilst the Bears were drawing bigger crowds than Broncos in their 2001-03 triple premiership success.

As for Cronulla adding nothing... I would suggest a professional rugby league club representing one of Australia’s five largest rl participation areas (also Australia’s largest soccer participation zone)  is far from adding nothing. Premiership success does not allow a rite of passage. Nor does Souths and Saints combined have anywhere near the following of Carlton or Collingwood... or Essendon, or Richmond, or Hawthorn.

Nah 

The swans were.broke then the afl.decided to save them 

The bears went.broke on the gold coast and were a joke.as the lions.

Murdoch,.an afl.man growing up, chased league for pay tv not afl.  He knew which sport.he needed. 

I'd argue league is number one today.  It beats afl.on tv even though afl.has two more teams ie around 50 more games.

Afl pay tv ratings have tanked.  They are approaching a league or.super.rugby levels.for some.games.

[The Great Dane]

3 minutes ago, aj1908 said:

The club usually makes a small profit without the owners contributing anything or having a leagues clubs 

Purely on having the second highest membership.in the nrl and massive corporate income 

And will.increase further when they leave Redfern.oval for their new coe in mascot

And all of that is built off the initial investment made by Crowe and Holmes à Court in the late 00s.

What is so hard to understand about that, if there was no Crowe and Holmes à Court dumping money into them to build them into the club they are today, then they aren't the club they are today and almost certainly would have been relocated to the CC or worse.

6 minutes ago, aj1908 said:

And on wests so I'm right.  They did try to kick them out. 

Nope.

They tried to kick them out, failed, then won back the right to kick them out, but backed out of actually kicking them out at the last second.

The gun was loaded, the barrel was pressed against Wests head, but instead of pulling the trigger they got nervous dropped the gun and ran away.

The same is true of Souths and a handful of others throughout history.

[The Great Dane]

7 minutes ago, aj1908 said:

Interesting.

Poor Steelers they got robbed hard. Illawarra should.have their own side 

Yeah and in my opinion that side should be the Dragons.

[aj1908]

1 minute ago, The Great Dane said:

And all of that is built off the initial investment made by Crowe and Holmes à Court in the late 00s.

What is so hard to understand about that, if there was no Crowe and Holmes à Court dumping money into them to build them into the club they are today, then they aren't the club they are today and almost certainly would have been relocated to the CC or worse.

Nope.

They tried to kick them out, failed, then won back the right to kick them out, but backed out of actually kicking them out at the last second.

The gun was loaded, the barrel was pressed against Wests head, but instead of pulling the trigger they got nervous dropped the gun and ran away.

The same is true of Souths and a handful of others throughout history.

You can't heave league without south's lol 

Yes crowe and hac saved them.  But the way you worded it sounds like they continue to do so.

 

[aj1908]

2 minutes ago, The Great Dane said:

Yeah and in my opinion that side should be the Dragons.

Maybe now that's what if do.  Leave southern Sydney for sharks 

It's still not their team.

But still.it would.mean your nearest club is a powerhouse lol 

[The Great Dane]

5 minutes ago, aj1908 said:

Nah 

The swans were.broke then the afl.decided to save them 

The bears went.broke on the gold coast and were a joke.as the lions.

The Swans, Lions, and for that matter Giants and Suns, are long term investments.

The AFL will pump millions and millions into them now and will get tenfold in return a couple of generations from now once they've become cemented into their communities.

They've already succeeded with the Swans.

[aj1908]

4 minutes ago, The Great Dane said:

The Swans, Lions, and for that matter Giants and Suns, are long term investments.

The AFL will pump millions and millions into them now and will get tenfold in return a couple of generations from now once they've become cemented into their communities.

They've already succeeded with the Swans.

Nah 

They got lucky with the swans 

The suns are a basket case.

The gnats have no fans either

THe afl has already put.in 500 million.im them.for.nothing.

It's money they could've spent elsewhere so that's a positive.

Afl.doesnt have endless.money.  Like the aru warchest it will run out 

There's was no real need for these teams other than to try and hurt.rugby league 

They had no plans for gold coast till.gallop.did and they had to copy.  Typical.afl.arrogance thinking well.just spend hundreds of millions and win.

It's why i Want another Brisbane nrl side.  It will.help.push the afl is financial.ruin

[The Great Dane]

10 minutes ago, aj1908 said:

I'd argue league is number one today.  It beats afl.on tv even though afl.has two more teams ie around 50 more games.

It's not as simple as that.

NRL only beats the AFL in aggregate, on weekly averages the AFL normally beats the NRL.

So simplifying it a bit, if you take away SOO (and to a lesser extent internationals and other rep matches) the AFL would beat the NRL.

So on the most even footing possible the AFL is beating the NRL.

13 minutes ago, aj1908 said:

Afl pay tv ratings have tanked.  They are approaching a league or.super.rugby levels.for some.games.

Their pay TV ratings are bad because all of their games a broadcast on FTA as well. Why pay for something that you can get for free right!

Which also shows how much better their broadcasting rights contract is, they're getting a little bit more than the NRL does, and all their content in broadcast on FTA while more then half of the NRL's is behind a paywall.

[aj1908]

7 minutes ago, The Great Dane said:

It's not as simple as that.

NRL only beats the AFL in aggregate, on weekly averages the AFL normally beats the NRL.

So simplifying it a bit, if you take away SOO (and to a lesser extent internationals and other rep matches) the AFL would beat the NRL.

So on the most even footing possible the AFL is beating the NRL.

Their pay TV ratings are bad because all of their games a broadcast on FTA as well. Why pay for something that you can get for free right!

Which also shows how much better their broadcasting rights contract is, they're getting a little bit more than the NRL does, and all their content in broadcast on FTA while more then half of the NRL's is behind a paywall.

Lol.no afl has fifty more games a year.than league.  Last two years league has won by 30 million and 12 million viewers 

It's.not leagues fault.it developed an origin and internationals and afl.cant

And if course you aren't including nz warriors ratings lol 

So basically.you want to compare 15 nrl.clubs with 18 afl.clubs and ignore origin and tests to try and make afl look good lol 

It's.not close 

League smashes them.every year.  Once.we get a tv deal we deserve afl is stuffed lol.

[The Great Dane]

11 minutes ago, aj1908 said:

You can't heave league without south's lol

Who says and why?!

Nobody has a divine right to be a part of the competition.

In fact Souths being kicked straight back out of the competition in 04 is almost certainly what should have happened. It would have prevented a lot of problems that the NRL now faces.

13 minutes ago, aj1908 said:

Yes crowe and hac saved them.  But the way you worded it sounds like they continue to do so.

Frankly I reckon that if you took away the safety net of their financial backers and the free publicity that Crowe brings them, then they'd probably start to fall apart pretty quickly. But that is a different discussion.

[aj1908]

2 minutes ago, The Great Dane said:

Who says and why?!

Nobody has a divine right to be a part of the competition.

In fact Souths being kicked straight back out of the competition in 04 is almost certainly what should have happened. It would have prevented a lot of problems that the NRL now faces.

Frankly I reckon that if you took away the safety net of their financial backers and the free publicity that Crowe brings them, then they'd probably start to fall apart pretty quickly. But that is a different discussion.

When they won the grand final it was the highest rating league game in history lol 

Guess you don't want to see league suceed

[Allora]

It may be time to draw a breath and take some time out aj1908.

You have hit this forum in overdrive.

I see your confused emoji. you are being argumentative for the sake of it and much of your arguments are not factual. That never ends well long term.

[Sports Prophet]

13 hours ago, aj1908 said:

Lol.no afl has fifty more games a year.than league.  Last two years league has won by 30 million and 12 million viewers 

It's.not leagues fault.it developed an origin and internationals and afl.cant

And if course you aren't including nz warriors ratings lol 

So basically.you want to compare 15 nrl.clubs with 18 afl.clubs and ignore origin and tests to try and make afl look good lol 

It's.not close 

League smashes them.every year.  Once.we get a tv deal we deserve afl is stuffed lol.

No cross over start times of fixtures in NRL helps mind you your ideology that a sport that gets less attendees, less media coverage, less income, less corporate partners, less memberships with a lesser national footprint is frankly laughable.

edit... in fact, there is no Sydney league club, bigger that the Sydney Swans @aj1908

[aj1908]

6 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

No cross over start times of fixtures in NRL helps mind you your ideology that a sport that gets less attendees, less media coverage, less income, less corporate partners, less memberships with a lesser national footprint is frankly laughable.

How is it a lesser footprint?

You Know Australia is more than capital cities right?

And You know the nrl includes new Zealand?

Around 63 percent of Australia lives in rugby league strongholds.  It's why afl has to expand 

But yeh their crowds and membership are good for a sport.which is so geographically isolated 

Yeh the swans crowds are amazing.  Sometimes.they are larger than their tv ratings lol

[aj1908]

So parts of Australia that don't exist 

Townsville 

Wollongong 

Newcastle 

Canberra 

Central coast 

[Sports Prophet]

vs every state capital on the mainland. AFL is in Canberra too

Central coast I’m talking full time club residents here not just two games a season by a FIFO club

So really you’re saying Gong, Newc and Towns. 2hrs or less, north and south of Sydney’s 9 clubs and a team in far North Queensland

How does AFL have a larger footprint? The audaciousness of such a question from someone purporting to have intimate knowledge of the Australian sporting landscape

[aj1908]

18 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

vs every state capital on the mainland. AFL is in Canberra too

Central coast I’m talking full time club residents here not just two games a season by a FIFO club

So really you’re saying Gong, Newc and Towns. 2hrs or less, north and south of Sydney’s 9 clubs and a team in far North Queensland

How does AFL have a larger footprint? The audaciousness of such a question from someone purporting to have intimate knowledge of the Australian sporting landscape

Hey buddy I'd you think afl is bigger I'm happy for you.

I've never been more comfortable with how.The nrl is going since super league than now 

The game is really starting to get back to where it should be but it should do a whole lot more

I'm really excited for another Brisbane nrl team that will be massive for league 

I haven't made any claims about my knowledge.  I guess that's a compliment.  Thanks