Greg Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Can Fiji make it to their first World Cup Final after three successive semi-final defeats to Australia? They performed strongly this year winning all three tests, but I was hoping that Semi Radrada might return RL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Greg said: Can Fiji make it to their first World Cup Final after three successive semi-final defeats to Australia? They performed strongly this year winning all three tests, but I was hoping that Semi Radrada might return RL Depends how many outside backs the Wallabies need in the next year or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith989 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Scubby said: Depends how many outside backs the Wallabies need in the next year or two The Kangaroos aren't afraid to cap Fijians either unfortunately. Petero Civoniceva for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Keith989 said: The Kangaroos aren't afraid to cap Fijians either unfortunately. Petero Civoniceva for example. Civoniceva lived in Australia from a few months old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith989 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 54 minutes ago, Damien said: Civoniceva lived in Australia from a few months old. The guy is clearly a very proud Fijian. That was only one example anyway, sure they capped Radradra in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshmagpie Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 They need a half back to complement Wakeham, Koroisau could do it but that requires Lovodua to be available to play 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Picture Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Greg said: Can Fiji make it to their first World Cup Final after three successive semi-final defeats to Australia? They performed strongly this year winning all three tests, but I was hoping that Semi Radrada might return RL I sure hope not. Having a team representing such a tiny country in the World Cup Final would highlight the sport's embarrassingly small footprint in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Big Picture said: I sure hope not. Having a team representing such a tiny country in the World Cup Final would highlight the sport's embarrassingly small footprint in the world. What? Like Croatia? If they get there on merit they deserve to be there. Good luck to them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: What? Like Croatia? If they get there on merit they deserve to be there. Good luck to them! Or Uruguay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Picture Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 17 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: What? Like Croatia? If they get there on merit they deserve to be there. Good luck to them! 3 minutes ago, Eddie said: Or Uruguay. Croatia and Uruguay are both much bigger countries than Fiji, and their success in other sports has indeed been earned, earned by playing and beating a number of teams representing even bigger countries, though only occasionally. The same can't really be said of Fiji in RL though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Big Picture said: Croatia and Uruguay are both much bigger countries than Fiji, and their success in other sports has indeed been earned, earned by playing and beating a number of teams representing even bigger countries, though only occasionally. The same can't really be said of Fiji in RL though. Croatia has 4 million people and hardly any major diaspora whereas Fiji does to Oz and NZ. Point is it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Picture Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Tommygilf said: Croatia has 4 million people and hardly any major diaspora whereas Fiji does to Oz and NZ. Point is it doesn't matter. You might think it doesn't but RL's detractors won't think so. They'd see the prevalence of small island countries in the top eight of a world cup as a sign of the sport's weakness even if their teams weren't full of heritage players and they'd be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Dane Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Big Picture said: You might think it doesn't but RL's detractors won't think so. They'd see the prevalence of small island countries in the top eight of a world cup as a sign of the sport's weakness even if their teams weren't full of heritage players and they'd be right. RL's detractors will find something to bag no matter what, so worrying to much about what they think is a counterproductive waste of time. BTW, what's wrong with small island nations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Picture Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 30 minutes ago, The Great Dane said: RL's detractors will find something to bag no matter what, so worrying to much about what they think is a counterproductive waste of time. BTW, what's wrong with small island nations? Nothing, they can add a colourful dimension at times like the Jamaican bobsleigh team did at the Winter Olympics in Calgary in 1988, but that's as much as they can do for any sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omott91 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 hours ago, Big Picture said: I sure hope not. Having a team representing such a tiny country in the World Cup Final would highlight the sport's embarrassingly small footprint in the world. What about Fiji winning Olympic gold in Rugby 7's or winning the yearly 7's circuit? Fiji have a lot offer in you just broaden your outlook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Picture Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Omott91 said: What about Fiji winning Olympic gold in Rugby 7's or winning the yearly 7's circuit? Fiji have a lot offer in you just broaden your outlook. A tiny island country with less population than Ottawa has a lot to offer? What planet do you live on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Dane Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 57 minutes ago, Big Picture said: Nothing, they can add a colourful dimension at times like the Jamaican bobsleigh team did at the Winter Olympics in Calgary in 1988, but that's as much as they can do for any sport. Wow, that is incredibly dismissive. Just because they are small, and generally speaking, very poor nations, and as such those handicaps make it incredibly hard for them to compete, doesn't mean that they are worthless or less important competitors then anybody else. If anything the fact that they have to overcome those innate handicaps make their successes on the pitch that much greater and more noteworthy. Also considering that in RL circles Canada is considered the colourful novelty that hasn't really achieved anything of great note and (currently) add's very little to the sport, you should be very careful with this line of thinking, because if it became wide held it'd be Canada getting the ###### not Fiji or any of the other PI's. 37 minutes ago, Big Picture said: A tiny island country with less population than Ottawa has a lot to offer? What planet do you live on? Considering that in both codes of Rugby Fiji has not only had more success, but has produced way more players, undoubtedly drawn bigger crowds and ratings for most of their games, and made more money for each code in the last 10 years then Canada has in it's whole existence, I'd suggest that yeah they have a great deal to offer. I'd also suggest that it is rich for a Canadian RL fan to be bagging Fiji (or any of the other PI's) when Canada's RL team couldn't tie the bootlaces of Fiji's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadera78 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Take a day off BP, you're turning into Parksider "Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart." Jean Roque, Calendrier-revue du Racing-Club Albigeois, 1958-1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 16 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 hours ago, The Great Dane said: Canada's RL team couldn't tie the bootlaces of Fiji's. Come on... Right over left, then left under right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 hours ago, Big Picture said: You might think it doesn't but RL's detractors won't think so. They'd see the prevalence of small island countries in the top eight of a world cup as a sign of the sport's weakness even if their teams weren't full of heritage players and they'd be right. Who are RL’s detractors? There aren’t many and even if there were who cares what they think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omott91 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Big Picture said: A tiny island country with less population than Ottawa has a lot to offer? What planet do you live on? The same planet as you unfortunately. You obviously haven't seen their results in either code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 8 hours ago, Big Picture said: You might think it doesn't but RL's detractors won't think so. They'd see the prevalence of small island countries in the top eight of a world cup as a sign of the sport's weakness even if their teams weren't full of heritage players and they'd be right. Mate, you're lecturing us when we've had the West Indies (a bunch of tiny island countries) be the absolute dominant force in world cricket and New Zealand (lower population than "Greater Toronto") be the absolute dominant force in world rugby union, and nobody has thought to say that this is a problem. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Mate, you're lecturing us when we've had the West Indies (a bunch of tiny island countries) be the absolute dominant force in world cricket and New Zealand (lower population than "Greater Toronto") be the absolute dominant force in world rugby union, and nobody has thought to say that this is a problem. I’m amazed that football ever took off considering Uruguay (population 3 million) won the first World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Eddie said: I’m amazed that football ever took off considering Uruguay (population 3 million) won the first World Cup. An absolute farce. They keep qualifying for World Cups as well, which must show that football is a joke of a sport. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, gingerjon said: An absolute farce. They keep qualifying for World Cups as well, which must show that football is a joke of a sport. Iceland qualifying for the Euros was the final nail in the coffin for international football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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