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“Rugby league was born in this city”...no not in England, Sydney.


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To hear this from a presenter on an NRL show on Fox, is quite shocking. Nearly 2 minutes in..

 

That this is a main presenter on a RL show on a major network saying this (as opposed to just some random RL supporter making such a comment on a radio phone in) is pretty shocking. This myopic view must be accepted there otherwise he wouldn’t have said it. Is this really how they view the sport there?

 

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8 hours ago, DC77 said:

To hear this from a presenter on an NRL show on Fox, is quite shocking. Nearly 2 minutes in..

 

That this is a main presenter on a RL show on a major network saying this (as opposed to just some random RL supporter making such a comment on a radio phone in) is pretty shocking. This myopic view must be accepted there otherwise he wouldn’t have said it. Is this really how they view the sport there?

 

Stop being so sensitive. You know what he means. 

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40 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I'm surprised people are being so dismissive of the OP. 

Rugby League was not born in Sydney. It was a dumb ignorant statement. 

The conversation before the statement was clearly around the sporting landscape of Australia and Sydney being a Rugby League city and potentially surrendering its grip if it loses the volume and rivalry of Rugby League clubs.

The speaker said Rugby League was born in Sydney but it is clear to anyone listening to the conversation that the context was Rugby League in Australia was born in Sydney.

He could have said that Rugby League in Australia was born in Sydney but I don't think it was required in the context of the conversation. 

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2 hours ago, Kayakman said:

Wasn't Rugby League actually started in Canada?

In a manner of speaking, yes.  To all intents and purposes RL is an improved version of Canadian rugby football as it was played when the Grey Cup was inaugurated, at which time it was played as you can see in this clip except that in the 1909 rules the ball was played by the middle three forward players linking arms as though about to pack down in a scrum and the middle one of those three heeling it back.

 

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16 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

In a manner of speaking, yes.  To all intents and purposes RL is an improved version of Canadian rugby football as it was played when the Grey Cup was inaugurated, at which time it was played as you can see in this clip except that in the 1909 rules the ball was played by the middle three forward players linking arms as though about to pack down in a scrum and the middle one of those three heeling it back.

 

I knew it was Canadian!

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23 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

Big Picture says it is and he has supplied proof to back up his claim.

That wasn’t proof in the slightest. None of the people involved in Huddersfield in 1895 will have ever seen Canadian Football. 

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1 hour ago, Eddie said:

That wasn’t proof in the slightest. None of the people involved in Huddersfield in 1895 will have ever seen Canadian Football. 

How do you actually know that?

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3 hours ago, Dunbar said:

The conversation before the statement was clearly around the sporting landscape of Australia and Sydney being a Rugby League city and potentially surrendering its grip if it loses the volume and rivalry of Rugby League clubs.

The speaker said Rugby League was born in Sydney but it is clear to anyone listening to the conversation that the context was Rugby League in Australia was born in Sydney.

He could have said that Rugby League in Australia was born in Sydney but I don't think it was required in the context of the conversation. 

I just don't think there is any context that makes the statement that Sydney is the birthplace of RL correct. 

There are all sorts of phrases that could have been used to make the point of how important Sydney is for RL, but saying the sport was born there is just wrong and unnecessary. 

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18 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I just don't think there is any context that makes the statement that Sydney is the birthplace of RL correct. 

There are all sorts of phrases that could have been used to make the point of how important Sydney is for RL, but saying the sport was born there is just wrong and unnecessary. 

Would you agree with the phrase 'Rugby League in Australia was born in Sydney'?

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

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2 hours ago, Eddie said:

That wasn’t proof in the slightest. None of the people involved in Huddersfield in 1895 will have ever seen Canadian Football. 

They still played under RU rules in 1895, and the fact remains that Canadian rugby football had the first form of play-the-ball, the first sin-bin rule, was the first to eliminate fair catches, throw-ins, rucks and mauls, and the first to incentivize teams to run kicks back out of their goal area rather than just make the ball dead.  Those things are what distinguish RL from RU and they're all Canadian inventions.

You can maintain that the same hapless administrators who consistently failed to expand the game's footprint beyond its heartlands came up with the equivalent things all by themselves if you want to, but seriously who can believe that?  With the documented facts of a Canadian rugby team touring the UK prior to any of those changes coming into RL and a number of former Northern Union players having moved over to Canada and playing here, those facts strongly suggest that RL administrators had either seen or heard about the Canadian innovations and adopted them.

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