Gooleboy Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, Wigan Riversider said: Point 1: to progress. Point 2: ideally Cumbria. Point 3: ideally Cumbrian people+rest of RL family. Won't happen due to small-minded mentality inherent in RL. Would you be happy for Wigan to merge with Leigh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Wigan Riversider said: Point 1: to progress. Point 2: ideally Cumbria. Point 3: ideally Cumbrian people+rest of RL family. Won't happen due to small-minded mentality inherent in RL. It’s nothing to do with small mindedness or RL. People support their own team and town, it’s the same in any sport. Why would anyone in Barrow support a team based in Whitehaven, or vice versa? What successful mergers can you think of in football, where by your logic there should be loads. Why don’t Plymouth, Exeter and Torquay merge to form a Devon superclub? And how about Norwich and Ipswich merge, to create an East Anglian club capable of rivalling Liverpool and Man Utd? Or in RL do you also think Wire and Widnes should merge, or Hull and HKR? The grounds might not be so empty if they did, is it only small mindedness stopping it happen? The only one I can think of is Inverness Caley Thistle, and even there there are people who refuse to support them even now, and that’s the same town not different ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigan Riversider Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Eddie said: It’s nothing to do with small mindedness or RL. People support their own team and town, it’s the same in any sport. Why would anyone in Barrow support a team based in Whitehaven, or vice versa? What successful mergers can you think of in football, where by your logic there should be loads. Why don’t Plymouth, Exeter and Torquay merge to form a Devon superclub? And how about Norwich and Ipswich merge, to create an East Anglian club capable of rivalling Liverpool and Man Utd? Or in RL do you also think Wire and Widnes should merge, or Hull and HKR? The grounds might not be so empty if they did, is it only small mindedness stopping it happen? The only one I can think of is Inverness Caley Thistle, and even there there are people who refuse to support them even now, and that’s the same town not different ones. Was not referring to mergers. Far from it. RL has been trying to get it right in the heartlands since 1895. Based on current form I can't think that there is much evidence of success. However I am happy to be wrong. Cumbria is a hot bed for RL. Barrow, Workington and Whitehaven have every right to exist and be successful independently. If a Dr Marwan type character bankrolled a Cumbrian franchise I would be happy to support it. Granted it's unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 cumbria cant support a super league club imo. via merger or otherwise. it would be another dead end. if anything super league needs to find ways to get more clubs who can spend at or more than the current cap and lose maybe three or four current members of super league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Wigan Riversider said: Was not referring to mergers. Far from it. RL has been trying to get it right in the heartlands since 1895. Based on current form I can't think that there is much evidence of success. However I am happy to be wrong. Cumbria is a hot bed for RL. Barrow, Workington and Whitehaven have every right to exist and be successful independently. If a Dr Marwan type character bankrolled a Cumbrian franchise I would be happy to support it. Granted it's unlikely. So there’d be a Cumbrian franchise, but not in Barrow, Whitehaven or Workington, and they’d be supported by everyone in Cumbria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 42 minutes ago, aj1908 said: cumbria cant support a super league club imo. via merger or otherwise. it would be another dead end. if anything super league needs to find ways to get more clubs who can spend at or more than the current cap and lose maybe three or four current members of super league Who would get kicked out under your plan? If of course there are three or four multi millionaires coming in to take clubs into SL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, Eddie said: Who would get kicked out under your plan? If of course there are three or four multi millionaires coming in to take clubs into SL? well if it were up to me, id make sure london were in super league no matter what. salford too. both for expansion purposes. as it currently stands hudds just arent growing are they. new stadium and rich sugar daddy. just because the game was born there does it mean its actually a rugby city ? wakey for sure. can hull support two clubs ? hull kr are a fantastic club, its a shame they arent in a different city to Hull fc. two clubs in a city the size of hull in super league ? there arent better clubs right now to take their places so its a moot point. but what if there were ? 12 isnt a lot of teams anyway, wouldnt you want all of them strong ? clubs like toronto for example will make super league stronger, as long as david argyle doesnt have a heart attack or some accident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigan Riversider Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, Eddie said: So there’d be a Cumbrian franchise, but not in Barrow, Whitehaven or Workington, and they’d be supported by everyone in Cumbria? Let's just agree to differ. Merry Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 19 hours ago, Eddie said: Why would they consolidate into one club? Where would the club play, who would support it? Survival. In Cumbria. Cumbrians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said: Survival. In Cumbria. Cumbrians. Cumbria is a big place, where would their stadium be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Eddie said: Cumbria is a big place, where would their stadium be? Cumbria is not as big as Texas, where you will find the Dallas Cowboys and they can manage to play home and away to places as diverse and far away as San Francisco and New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said: Cumbria is not as big as Texas, where you will find the Dallas Cowboys and they can manage to play home and away to places as diverse and far away as San Francisco and New York. Cumbria: Area - 6,700km2; Pop - 0.5m Dallas: Area - 1,000km2; Pop - 1.3m Comparing Cumbria to Dallas is ridiculous in itself, let alone comparing it to the entire state of Texas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: Cumbria: Area - 6,700km2; Pop - 0.5m Dallas: Area - 1,000km2; Pop - 1.3m Comparing Cumbria to Dallas is ridiculous in itself, let alone comparing it to the entire state of Texas! Also comparing the Dallas Cowboys to some League One RL teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, Eddie said: Also comparing the Dallas Cowboys to some League One RL teams. But if they marketed themselves properly.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: But if they marketed themselves properly.......... It’s only the ineptitude of the RFL and selfishness of the NRL that’s stopping RL rivalling NFL in North America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 23 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: Cumbria: Area - 6,700km2; Pop - 0.5m Dallas: Area - 1,000km2; Pop - 1.3m Comparing Cumbria to Dallas is ridiculous in itself, let alone comparing it to the entire state of Texas! Thats the point, Dallas (and Huston) has the whole of Texas. Surely cosy Cumbria can produce 1 club to represent itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Rupert Prince said: Thats the point, Dallas (and Huston) has the whole of Texas. Surely cosy Cumbria can produce 1 club to represent itself. Dallas doesn't need to draw from the whole of Texas. Its population is nearly 3x the size of Cumbria in the space about 1/7th the size. Population density of Cumbria is about 74 people per km2 compared to Dallas's 1,300 people per km2. It really is a ridiculous comparison. It's like saying Toronto has the whole of Canada to draw crowds from. The reality is that successful sports clubs need a high population density on their doorstep in order to draw very decent crowds. Even Castleford, despite the town's population only being 40,000, have a population density of 1,000 people in the immediate vicinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Rupert Prince said: Thats the point, Dallas (and Huston) has the whole of Texas. Surely cosy Cumbria can produce 1 club to represent itself. It takes approx 1hr 45 to drive from Barrow to Carlisle, the two main population centres in Cumbria, and not far off that to get from Barrow to Workington. There is no way one ‘super’ club would be sustainable as whichever town they were based in, as few people would go from the other main towns to watch them. Merging Barrow and Workington would be as stupid as merging Widnes with York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 On 17/12/2019 at 20:06, Eddie said: It takes approx 1hr 45 to drive from Barrow to Carlisle, the two main population centres in Cumbria, and not far off that to get from Barrow to Workington. There is no way one ‘super’ club would be sustainable as whichever town they were based in, as few people would go from the other main towns to watch them. Merging Barrow and Workington would be as stupid as merging Widnes with York. With your attitude then, goodbye RL in Cumbria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Rupert Prince said: With your attitude then, goodbye RL in Cumbria. Expecting a lot of the crowd to travel over an hour isn't going to see them progress far. It's not a good business model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 20/12/2019 at 00:19, Wellsy4HullFC said: Expecting a lot of the crowd to travel over an hour isn't going to see them progress far. It's not a good business model. I know the problems. I have huge sympathy. But the alternative is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Rupert Prince said: I know the problems. I have huge sympathy. But the alternative is... Still having local clubs but of a lower level? West Cumbria may work to an extent. A whole Cumbria club would not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 17/12/2019 at 06:04, Eddie said: It’s only the ineptitude of the RFL and selfishness of the NRL that’s stopping RL rivalling NFL in North America. Huh ? Windup surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 hours ago, aj1908 said: Huh ? Windup surely Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, aj1908 said: Huh ? Windup surely Nowt better to do! If Hull are over the cap then they can still win the GF and not worry too much. 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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