Old Frightful Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Kayakman said: Its pretty obvious that this guy is just not too bright sometimes although I like the squad he has put together....WOW, 25 MARQUEES ON ONLY ONE TEAM! I wish I was like him, be nice to be that dumb and be so wealthy. Given how teams such as Wire and Leeds seem to sign plenty of players that must command high salaries with no apparent salary cap issues, I can't help but wonder if he's dangling a hook and waiting for a bite. Hull FC....The Sons of God... (Well, we are about to be crucified on Good Friday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, TIWIT said: While no fan of the salary cap it shouldn't be applied until the team's roster is finalised before the first regular season game. What difference does it make if you're over the cap when you're not playing games that count? Again, they're not over the cap allowance. He's saying that he would be that much over without the exemptions he was discussing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIWIT Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I also find it funny that halfway through the article it turns into yet another discussion about Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugger Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Kayakman said: Beggars can't be choosers! Like a Catholic Priest holding out the Collection Basket. Apparently they need to solidify the Heartlands before they expand. Judging by this map it seems more and more like a ghetto. Looks even worse if you were to include the RFL & RFU Championship. Expansion needs to happen and it needs to happen ASAP for the sake of the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 It will be an interesting game when they come here and I'm looking forward to seeing them play 'in the flesh' for once. This bellyaching about a short turnaround and accommodations better stop though..no one is stopping them from upgrading or doing their own booking if they don't like it. If it was good enough for the lads from Workington Town it certainly is good enough for Hull. I think it will be a close game but we will win by 5 points with Sonny Bill putting the dagger to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Eddie said: Most of them would be better off working on building sites if they got paid any less than they do now. If we want to be a tin pot sport then paying peanuts and giving one year contracts is the way to go. Simply paying them more doesn't make them better players, in the same way that you (and I) think that RL is the greatest game doesn't make it so...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: Simply paying them more doesn't make them better players, in the same way that you (and I) think that RL is the greatest game doesn't make it so...... I’m obviously not suggesting paying them more makes them better. However being able to pay more would keep better players in SL and enable SL to attract better players from elsewhere (incl Union). Otherwise we are just left with people not good enough to play in the NRL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 hours ago, CanadianRugger said: Like a Catholic Priest holding out the Collection Basket. Apparently they need to solidify the Heartlands before they expand. Judging by this map it seems more and more like a ghetto. Looks even worse if you were to include the RFL & RFU Championship. Expansion needs to happen and it needs to happen ASAP for the sake of the sport. You say a ghetto but the population of that strip between Hull and Merseyside is pretty big, certainly bigger than the population inbetween Worcester and Exeter which encompasses 5 of the clubs on your map. Also your map is old and Newcastle aren’t on it any more so other than Sale their top flight has a small footprint too. Basically both codes are utterly dwarfed by football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 8 hours ago, Marty Funkhouser said: The worst part of the salary cap has indeed been the glass ceiling imposed on the standard a team , and hence the competition , can reach. Unfortunately , after 20 years of very substantial, additional, guaranteed income , we still only have three or four clubs capable of spending more than their allocated money. Any forthcoming reduction in the TV contract will see clubs struggle to spend even up to the cap as it stands. A complete scrapping of the cap , whilst welcomed by many spectators and viewers , would result in a polarised competition and therefore it is unlikely enough clubs would vote in favour. Gary Prohm went to the Roosters (Eastern Suburbs as was) from Hull KR. Hard to believe Hull KR's overseas quota once consisted of Prohm , Mark Broadhurst, Gordon Smith all Kiwi internationals, and Aussie internationals Gavin Miller (only dual Man of Steel, Dally M winner prior to Barba, and World Cup winner) and John Dorahy. They also fielded numerous GB internationals , including several captains , at the same time. Would be absolutely impossible under the current system. the salary cap is dumbing down the competition the big clubs are being dragged down to the level of the poor clubs the marquee player allowance has helped, but english clubs havent really used it properly. SBW is a true marquee. maybe warrington with widdop. the cap should be higher, at least to the level of the middle clubs, not the poorest clubs this would have the added benefit of weeding out the weaker clubs who add nothing to super league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 5 hours ago, CanadianRugger said: Sounds like a huge blowhard tbh. You wanted TWP to pay for your flights so you can take what we give you. The Super League Chairmen inspire so much confidence in this sport. yeh i could understand league one and champsionship clubs having a whinge ? but the boss of Hull FC ? thats a worry. and toronto forgo a large TV payment this time in super league, unlike what the championship clubs get you get a bit worried when even the supposedly big clubs have such a poor view towards expansion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartholemew Smythe Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 5 hours ago, CanadianRugger said: Like a Catholic Priest holding out the Collection Basket. Apparently they need to solidify the Heartlands before they expand. Judging by this map it seems more and more like a ghetto. Looks even worse if you were to include the RFL & RFU Championship. Expansion needs to happen and it needs to happen ASAP for the sake of the sport. What a pathetic Troll you are alongside some of the other Pseudo Canadians/Yawnion fans! We`re on a road to Nowhere....................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bartholemew Smythe said: What a pathetic Troll you are alongside some of the other Pseudo Canadians/Yawnion fans! yeh they are pretending to be from canada even whilst still managing to attend toronto home games. it was a fair point he posted. league doesnt have to expand, it can stay as it is a minor sport with falling revenues and struggling to stay relevant in the modern world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugger Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Bartholemew Smythe said: What a pathetic Troll you are alongside some of the other Pseudo Canadians/Yawnion fans! I'm as Canadian as they come buds. From the Coreurs de bois vintage. I want TWP and League to spread far and wide, it won't unless League supports expansion and develops new markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugger Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 hours ago, aj1908 said: yeh i could understand league one and champsionship clubs having a whinge ? but the boss of Hull FC ? thats a worry. and toronto forgo a large TV payment this time in super league, unlike what the championship clubs get you get a bit worried when even the supposedly big clubs have such a poor view towards expansion Completely inappropriate comment from a club owner in the same league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, CanadianRugger said: Completely inappropriate comment from a club owner in the same league. he did say some good things. maybe when they visit over there and he meets argyle and experiences the beer garden first hand he will change his mind. it looks an amazing experience. he might even learn a few things he could try at his own home games to improve the fan experience. you guys make it event. even nrl clubs just assume because the sport is a good one they dont have to try very hard on the fan day experience. the fan day experience in the nrl is mostly poor food and drink are very expensive. long food queues. and stadia that are 80 percent empty when its at the big ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 16 hours ago, aj1908 said: Had a good whine about having to travel to Toronto. Imagine moaning that you are only getting free economy class plane tickets and free acceptable level of accommodation. Want better? Put your money in your pocket and pay for it yourself Pearson. He’s shown himself up their. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Eddie said: You say a ghetto but the population of that strip between Hull and Merseyside is pretty big, certainly bigger than the population inbetween Worcester and Exeter which encompasses 5 of the clubs on your map. Also your map is old and Newcastle aren’t on it any more so other than Sale their top flight has a small footprint too. Basically both codes are utterly dwarfed by football. Yeh buts it not as if league is big in any of the big cities there bar Leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Imagine moaning that you are only getting free economy class plane tickets and free acceptable level of accommodation. Want better? Put your money in your pocket and pay for it yourself Pearson. He’s shown himself up their. Didn't know Toronto were doing free travel and accommodation again Thought full time rugby league clubs could afford it themselves Can t wait for the complaints about the sandwiches Toronto provide and the problems with visas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 11 hours ago, CanadianRugger said: Like a Catholic Priest holding out the Collection Basket. Apparently they need to solidify the Heartlands before they expand. Judging by this map it seems more and more like a ghetto. Looks even worse if you were to include the RFL & RFU Championship. Expansion needs to happen and it needs to happen ASAP for the sake of the sport. Looking at the map there is certainly an argument York, Newcastle and Sheffield should be given extra help as expansion clubs. I’m taking extra development officers, extra funding to run an academy. 3 big cities close to the heartlands, it’d be great if they were able to become successful Super League clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Looking at the map there is certainly an argument York, Newcastle and Sheffield should be given extra help as expansion clubs. I’m taking extra development officers, extra funding to run an academy. 3 big cities close to the heartlands, it’d be great if they were able to become successful Super League clubs. They should all.be in super league Although Sheffield are a long way off with their ground Newcastle and York could be there now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, aj1908 said: Didn't know Toronto were doing free travel and accommodation again Thought full time rugby league clubs could afford it themselves Can t wait for the complaints about the sandwiches Toronto provide and the problems with visas Yes ridiculously Toronto are paying out around £1.8M for other Super League clubs travel and accommodation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Yes ridiculously Toronto are paying out around £1.8M for other Super League clubs travel and accommodation And no tv money And people actually have the nerve to complain about them Its like the rfl is putting up obstacles to their success Got to protect those heartland clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 26 minutes ago, aj1908 said: Yeh buts it not as if league is big in any of the big cities there bar Leeds Exeter, Gloucester. Bath, Northampton, Worcester, Sale - none of them are big cities either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Eddie said: Exeter, Gloucester. Bath, Northampton, Worcester, Sale - none of them are big cities either. Yeh unions footprint is.exagerated They do have london.crucially Not counting London Broncos of course.but union has a real presence in London Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 39 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Looking at the map there is certainly an argument York, Newcastle and Sheffield should be given extra help as expansion clubs. I’m taking extra development officers, extra funding to run an academy. 3 big cities close to the heartlands, it’d be great if they were able to become successful Super League clubs. Nice idea but who are you proposing would pay for it. And it would be unfair on teams in other areas (Cumbria for example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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