aj1908 Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Farmduck said: So Penrith has hit 48° It seems to have peaked at my place at 45.7° Yeh 45.here in Burwood lol Air con is good in the gym but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmduck Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 City people can be so stupid. This isn't from a bush fire. These were just grass fires. Look at the trees. Grass fires don't even generate enough heat to singe the leaves. https://twitter.com/PercyKaren/status/1213299222469959685 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ckn Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Just now, ckn said: I'd love to believe that people have more sense than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, Damien said: I'd love to believe that people have more sense than that. No I’m afraid they really don’t . Common sense ain’t that common Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmduck Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Damien said: I'd love to believe that people have more sense than that. So would I but: "Dozens of fires continue to burn in the states of Queensland and New South Wales, where more than 50 people have been charged with arson since August. Another 150 suspects are being interviewed by investigators." That article was on 29 Nov and we've had something like 200 separate fires in NSW alone since then. The usual cause is lightning but we haven't had any storms or clouds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Damien said: I'd love to believe that people have more sense than that. Arson will be a major cause, some accidental and some lightning. The climate deniers are pushing the arson aspect heavily right now (along with blaming the greens). It isn't climate change that started the fires, therefore climate change isn't the problem. With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 how long have "people" been living in these areas like decades wise? these places are thousands of years older than the time before "people settlers en mass" were there any problems back then before ron n shelia turned up with their bbq 4x4 and wooden shack? see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, graveyard johnny said: how long have "people" been living in these areas like decades wise? these places are thousands of years older than the time before "people settlers en mass" were there any problems back then before ron n shelia turned up with their bbq 4x4 and wooden shack? I've seen various articles about how Aboriginal people managed the land and frequently burned patches of bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 26 minutes ago, Damien said: I've seen various articles about how Aboriginal people managed the land and frequently burned patches of bush. now they have razors like the rest of us see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 9 hours ago, ckn said: The climate changes resulting in drier and more vulnerable forests excites these people. Now their impact can be far greater. It’s horrendous. Lightning has also caused quite a few fires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 22 hours ago, Damien said: I'd love to believe that people have more sense than that. No already police had said some small ones were.deliberately lit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, aj1908 said: No already police had said some small ones were.deliberately lit Oh I don't doubt that is the case, it always is. I'd just love to believe that people wouldn't be so stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 16 hours ago, graveyard johnny said: how long have "people" been living in these areas like decades wise? these places are thousands of years older than the time before "people settlers en mass" were there any problems back then before ron n shelia turned up with their bbq 4x4 and wooden shack? Yeh ages This season is the worst it's ever been though Once you are an hour out of Sydney it's all Bush for hours and hours on the coast When you fly to gold coast or Melbourne from Sydney on a plane all you see is trees for an hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 It should be mentioned that in some parts of Australia volunteer firefighters can be as young as 16. Yes, there are probably 16 year old boys and girls helping out in the field during the current disaster. It’s also not unusual for blokes in their 70s to be part of these groups. Volunteer firefighting groups train anything from once per week to once per fortnight. Everything from basic skills all the way to how to drop out of a hovering helicopter in a remote area. If you join a volunteer firefighting group you will definitely have an interesting and fulfilling life. Some even have junior brigades for 11-15 year olds. They train the kids, teach them firefighting etc. These kids aren’t sent to the frontline though! It’s a training club type of thing. This is one of the volunteer firefighting bases in Canberra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 The 2008 Garnaut Climate Change Review (Australian) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Copa said: The 2008 Garnaut Climate Change Review (Australian) It's almost like it was predictable, and things should be done to stop it happening? With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Bedford Roughyed said: It's almost like it was predictable, and things should be done to stop it happening? When I travel abroad I meet people with a wide range of political views, from hippy left to uber conservative and most seem to agree that global warming is influenced by humans. For them, across much of the political spectrum, it’s accepted fact. Their debates are often about how to slow it down for example harness market forces or massive government intervention etc. In Australia, it’s still a debate about if it’s human influenced or even if global warming actually exists. I doubt the current disaster will result in any substantial changes. Many will double down as they genuinely and sincerely feel the disaster justifies their own view of the world and discredits the other. Australia exports huge amounts of coal and through that contributes significantly to global pollution. It also provides a good livelihood to many people and their families. Sadly, massive coal exports also means we are essentially poisoning our own children’s futures. However, if we stop exporting coal, other countries with dirtier coal will probably make up the short fall. Added to that mining electorates can throw out PMs at elections. With the rapid change in technology, and even the possibility of foreign consumer boycotts of countries indifferent to climate change, we are also leaving ourselves vulnerable and exposed by relying on exports like coal. Countries that import coal will switch as technologies changes and decreases in price. So we are stuck in a bind in Australia and our inept politicians across our different parties have no idea how to move into the future. There are $billions to be made in the alternative energy fields and opportunities to diversify the economies of some regional parts of Australia but we’re not taking much action. Politics here will just dawdle along with the same old arguments and their supporters pointing out petty hypocrisies (what a waste of a life telling people politicians are petty hypocrites), spreading false rumours or outright lies about political opponents. We may have some politicians who can lead us through this but I have no idea who they are or what party they are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Bedford Roughyed said: He loses the impact.of.his message because of the political.dig. if he was really interested in getting as many people as possible interested he would keep.the politics out of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Copa said: When I travel abroad I meet people with a wide range of political views, from hippy left to uber conservative and most seem to agree that global warming is influenced by humans. For them, across much of the political spectrum, it’s accepted fact. Their debates are often about how to slow it down for example harness market forces or massive government intervention etc. In Australia, it’s still a debate about if it’s human influenced or even if global warming actually exists. I doubt the current disaster will result in any substantial changes. Many will double down as they genuinely and sincerely feel the disaster justifies their own view of the world and discredits the other. Australia exports huge amounts of coal and through that contributes significantly to global pollution. It also provides a good livelihood to many people and their families. Sadly, massive coal exports also means we are essentially poisoning our own children’s futures. However, if we stop exporting coal, other countries with dirtier coal will probably make up the short fall. Added to that mining electorates can throw out PMs at elections. With the rapid change in technology, and even the possibility of foreign consumer boycotts of countries indifferent to climate change, we are also leaving ourselves vulnerable and exposed by relying on exports like coal. Countries that import coal will switch as technologies changes and decreases in price. So we are stuck in a bind in Australia and our inept politicians across our different parties have no idea how to move into the future. There are $billions to be made in the alternative energy fields and opportunities to diversify the economies of some regional parts of Australia but we’re not taking much action. Politics here will just dawdle along with the same old arguments and their supporters pointing out petty hypocrisies (what a waste of a life telling people politicians are petty hypocrites), spreading false rumours or outright lies about political opponents. We may have some politicians who can lead us through this but I have no idea who they are or what party they are in. Maybe those inept politicians know that its not economically viable for alternate power sources without significant governmemt subsidies Or maybe they realise that in terms of total co2 emissions Australia is fairly small and since the major polluters like India and China aren't doing much they would be at a competitive disadvantage to do so. As much as the greenies hate technology I have faith that we will solve this problem in the future through science. As long as coal is cheaper it will always be used as a power source over costlier options. Nucleur seems a good option but I don't think the greenies approve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, aj1908 said: Maybe those inept politicians know that its not economically viable for alternate power sources without significant governmemt subsidies Or maybe they realise that in terms of total co2 emissions Australia is fairly small and since the major polluters like India and China aren't doing much they would be at a competitive disadvantage to do so. As much as the greenies hate technology I have faith that we will solve this problem in the future through science. As long as coal is cheaper it will always be used as a power source over costlier options. The ACT is 100% renewable electricity now. It does not mean every electron we use comes from a solar farm but it means we pay to produce from renewable energy projects as much electricity as we use. People voted for a government that promised to introduce that. You get the source of power you request from your government. Australia is a significant contributor to global pollution far beyond our small size. One third of global coal exports come from Australia. We are a huge player in the global pollution game. We are in the supply chain for a huge chunk of the planet’s pollution. Our economic dependence on that in these changing times is a weakness that will eventually threaten our livelihood. I’ve commented on that bind above. I’ve never met a greenie that hates technology. Most I’ve met embrace it and share your view about technology helping humanity. There are plenty of greenie engineers and scientists. They’d really struggle without technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Copa said: The ACT is 100% renewable electricity now. It does not mean every electron we use comes from a solar farm but it means we pay to produce from renewable energy projects as much electricity as we use. People voted for a government that promised to introduce that. You get the source of power you request from your government. Australia is a significant contributor to global pollution far beyond our small size. One third of global coal exports come from Australia. We are a huge player in the global pollution game. We are in the supply chain for a huge chunk of the planet’s pollution. Our economic dependence on that in these changing times is a weakness that will eventually threaten our livelihood. I’ve commented on that bind above. I’ve never met a greenie that hates technology. Most I’ve met embrace it and share your view about technology helping humanity. There are plenty of greenie engineers and scientists. They’d really struggle without technology. Your cars arent all electric are they ? So Australia gets penalised because of its exports and small population ? Until.the big polluters change and they won't because they can't afford it wed be stupid to follow We can't afford it either. Well.adapt to rising temps. there's too much doomsday scenarios out there which i dont buy If the Australia people.vote in a govt that wants to do this that's fine too I guess Look at tesla. That's the future of solving the problem. Companies like that Coal power plants are much cleaner than the.past Evolution not revolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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