Schoey’s not a fan of Belgrade’s League 1 ambition

[Click]

7 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

But my worry is going into virgin territories will not reverse the trend, it will accelerate it, if existing clubs are indeed victims of giving way to accomodate new entities who cannot add to the playing pool and subsequently the game looses those areas that do produce player's we are in big bother.

What existing clubs are giving way to accomodate these new entities? It is all hyperbole, You can't increase your player pool without increasing the geographic footprint of the sport, and you can't do that without going into virgin territories. Not all clubs coming into the game are going to be the Wolfpack, needing to get to SL ASAP. There are lots of clubs that are trying to build in a different way.

Just look at Red Star - They have a load of domestic players, but they're not going to get better by only playing against themselves, they need to expose them to a high level, and then that will hopefully attract more people to play.

[solly]

15 hours ago, Eddie said:

It’s not provincialism, expansion doesn’t mean at the expense of traditional areas, it means with them. 
 

It wouldn’t make your job easier either, it would make it harder if you were relegated and you missed the expending markets, in fact quite possibly your team would become unsustainable. 

It’s only unsustainable if you are in a division or league that is beyond you. 

[Tommygilf]

12 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Who is that directed at Jon?

I imagine Garry Schofield?

I get the point though, there are often more quality analysis (from both perspectives) on a given issue on web pages such as these than unresearched generalisations spouted from so-called "experts".

[Eddie]

36 minutes ago, solly said:

It’s only unsustainable if you are in a division or league that is beyond you. 

No it isn’t, if you go down your income reduces massively. 

[The Future is League]

3 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

But my worry is going into virgin territories will not reverse the trend, it will accelerate it, if existing clubs are indeed victims of giving way to accomodate new entities who cannot add to the playing pool and subsequently the game looses those areas that do produce player's we are in big bother.

For argument sake. Just say the Wolfpack set up an Academy in Wales and playing home and away games there and that would benefit Rugby League enormously in Wales  and create a player pool away from the heartlands and at the same time set up a 6 team academy competition in and around Toronto and they would have the money to do this, and would benefit Rugby League and the Wolfpack in Canada.

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, The Future is League said:

For argument sake. Just say the Wolfpack set up an Academy in Wales and playing home and away games there and that would benefit Rugby League enormously in Wales  and create a player pool away from the heartlands and at the same time set up a 6 team academy competition in and around Toronto and they would have the money to do this, and would benefit Rugby League and the Wolfpack in Canada.

But is Argyle interested in producing player's in Canada? and if he did as you describe how would that benefit Toronto, 6 teams of novices congregated together will stay novices, our academies are the best that this country can offer at that level age group, they are the elite at this present time of over 100 years of evolution of playing the game if each of those 6 teams you have suggested had 30 players each, there has been 30 times that amount in this country that has either not made the grade or left the game, from starting out with it, Rugby League like all sports is an organic product, it won't happen overnight that player's can be produced in virgin areas to reach the top level in any number, I will stick my neck out and say it won't happen in the next 50 years.

And what would setting up a team in Wales of local lads do for Toronto, if they are to maintain a SL level they will have to have a facillity of the best lads available, competeing with the Wigans, Saints, Leeds etc for their services, but please answer this honestly if Toronto set up an academy over here would that be expanding the game? 

[EssexRL]

5 hours ago, Click said:

 Just look at Red Star - They have a load of domestic players, but they're not going to get better by only playing against themselves, they need to expose them to a high level, and then that will hopefully attract more people to play.

Spot on. Skolars may not be the top L1 team but they have improved season on season using many southern players - exposure to heartland clubs has certainly been a part of the reason for that.

[The Future is League]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

But is Argyle interested in producing player's in Canada? and if he did as you describe how would that benefit Toronto, 6 teams of novices congregated together will stay novices, our academies are the best that this country can offer at that level age group, they are the elite at this present time of over 100 years of evolution of playing the game if each of those 6 teams you have suggested had 30 players each, there has been 30 times that amount in this country that has either not made the grade or left the game, from starting out with it, Rugby League like all sports is an organic product, it won't happen overnight that player's can be produced in virgin areas to reach the top level in any number, I will stick my neck out and say it won't happen in the next 50 years.

And what would setting up a team in Wales of local lads do for Toronto, if they are to maintain a SL level they will have to have a facillity of the best lads available, competeing with the Wigans, Saints, Leeds etc for their services, but please answer this honestly if Toronto set up an academy over here would that be expanding the game? 

The better players from the Canadian academies would obviously find their way to the British based academy. I said Wales as example as its still virgin ground for Rugby League. It could just as easily be Birmingham, Bristol, etc which are untapped areas for Rugby League, and  large areas with plenty of young athletic people in them.

[Tre Cool]

I'm not a fan of Garry Schofield

[The Future is League]

2 minutes ago, Tre Cool said:

I'm not a fan of Garry Schofield

Intelligent people aren't as he has no credit among a vast majority Rugby League fans with his views. To be honest he's a laughing stock. He's a attention seeker. I say again a fine player in his day, but a joke as coach and a pundit. 

[Tre Cool]

3 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Intelligent people aren't as he has no credit among a vast majority Rugby League fans with his views. To be honest he's a laughing stock. He's a attention seeker. I say again a fine player in his day, but a joke as coach and a pundit. 

I won't buy any publications with his name on the payroll

[The Future is League]

Just now, Tre Cool said:

I won't buy any publications with his name on the payroll

Same here.

[Harry Stottle]

2 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Intelligent people aren't as he has no credit among a vast majority Rugby League fans with his views. To be honest he's a laughing stock. He's a attention seeker. I say again a fine player in his day, but a joke as coach and a pundit. 

I don't agree TFiL, opposing views are necessary to keep the other side on their mettle, and he is only a laughing stock to those who disagree with him others incuding me agree with a lot of his points and statements, I would also say that your assumption in that Intellegent people give him no credit is a little, no a lot presumtious.

I will agree with you though about his playing abillity, I would say he is in the top 3 British No 6's I have witnessed in well over 50 years I have been involved with this sport.

[Harry Stottle]

12 minutes ago, Tre Cool said:

I won't buy any publications with his name on the payroll

 

11 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Same here.

Only last night I watched him on "my best 13, I have played with or against" programme, he was asked to do it because the producers thought it would be interesting, they were not wrong. Please tell me when both of you two are having yours televised!

[The Future is League]

Just now, Harry Stottle said:

I don't agree TFiL, opposing views are necessary to keep the other side on their mettle, and he is only a laughing stock to those who disagree with him others incuding me agree with a lot of his points and statements, I would also say that your assumption in that Intellegent people give him no credit is a little, no a lot presumtious.

I will agree with you though about his playing abillity, I would say he is in the top 3 British No 6's I have witnessed in well over 50 years I have been involved with this sport.

Schoey is joke. He's a joke what he writes and what he says on radio and TV.

Nobody of even average intelligence takes him seriously , because he's just a attention seeker.

[Harry Stottle]

1 minute ago, The Future is League said:

Schoey is joke. He's a joke what he writes and what he says on radio and TV.

Nobody of even average intelligence takes him seriously , because he's just a attention seeker.

Now we have got to average intellegence, as I said I quite like him and I don't disagree with all he says, I also got to know his dad, thoroughly nice bloke.

[Tre Cool]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Now we have got to average intellegence, as I said I quite like him and I don't disagree with all he says, I also got to know his dad, thoroughly nice bloke.

You're probably the demographic they're trying to appeal to by employing him.

[Harry Stottle]

30 minutes ago, Tre Cool said:

You're probably the demographic they're trying to appeal to by employing him.

Are you one of those intelligent one's then Tre?

[Futtocks]

[solly]

8 hours ago, Eddie said:

No it isn’t, if you go down your income reduces massively. 

And so do your costs. That's why there is no shame in a club plying its trade in a level more suited to its potential.

The broader the appeal, the broader the support and the more likely there are to be opportunities for increased and varied income streams. 

Keep the code within its historical suburban borders and unless there is a dedicated campaign to promote those suburbs nationally or internationally (which is a possibility) the sport effectivelly dies.

It’s provincialism when you consider your patch of the garden to be more important than the garden itself. 

[Eddie]

3 minutes ago, solly said:

And so do your costs. That's why there is no shame in a club plying its trade in a level more suited to its potential.

The broader the appeal, the broader the support and the more likely there are to be opportunities for increased and varied income streams. 

Keep the code within its historical suburban borders and unless there is a dedicated campaign to promote those suburbs nationally or internationally (which is a possibility) the sport effectivelly dies.

It’s provincialism when you consider your patch of the garden to be more important than the garden itself. 

Your comment is only true in theory, teams often struggle financially when they get relegated. 
 

Also your last comment is ridiculous. People will look after their own club first and rightly so. 

[Tre Cool]

43 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Are you one of those intelligent one's then Tre?

Intelligent enough to know your real first name's probably not Harry.

[Harry Stottle]

10 hours ago, Tre Cool said:

Intelligent enough to know your real first name's probably not Harry.

Nearly it's Harold, Mr Cool!

[The Future is League]

11 hours ago, Tre Cool said:

Intelligent enough to know your real first name's probably not Harry.

Can i suggest that you put Harry Stottle on ignore the same as i have now and he's clearly a troll who will get banned soon.

Anybody who thinks that Schoeys thoughts are those of a man who understands Modern day Rugby League are in my opinion deluded. 

[owls]

On 15/01/2020 at 12:00, Total Rugby League said:

Red Star Belgrade playing in League One? Do me a favour. Please can someone at the Rugby Football League explain exactly what they will bring...

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a new city, a new country, larger player pool. more media exposure, Schoey,   great player but hasn't moved with the times, things change,

time to get Elite 1 in as part of the pyramid system to super league,  ideal for Belgrade, Valancia etc