Toronto’s squad

[Dunbar]

7 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

Patience...patience...its coming.

Is that you Mrs Dunbar?

[aj1908]

1 minute ago, Allora said:

He is on the slide at his age.

Buying a player in his prime is one thing, signing a 34 year to play in a more physical code he has not played for some time for stupid money is something else.

What marketing returns will they get? A winning team would deliver better marketing IMO

$BW has always chased the money.

 

 

 

And whilst he chased the money he's won at every sport he's tried.

Guys a winner 

[Allora]

3 minutes ago, aj1908 said:

And whilst he chased the money he's won at every sport he's tried.

Guys a winner 

At Sport, he was.

 

[aj1908]

1 minute ago, Allora said:

At Sport, he was.

 

Super league is a sport.isnt it ? See?

[Tommygilf]

50 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

In hockey no one is given such an abortion....our hockey system, which we have instituted with the Wolfpack,  is better.....you will see.

If he was given an 'unlimited rolling contract'  then why is he no longer at Leeds? This is not our Canadian way....we will soon be showing you how it is done.  My only concern is that it is going to be hard on Dave....please keep an eye on him Tommy as things unfold...support him in his time of need.

Because we had three unacceptably poor starts to a season in a row. Win 8 Grand finals, 2 challenge cups and 3 World Club challenges with a core of homegrown talent and then tell the Rhinos how to do it. 

How is your first coach btw? Sacked after losing 1 final?

[nmew]

5 hours ago, Dave T said:

The bit that your point ignores is that for a lot of games TWPs opposition will have had a long journey a couple of days prior to the game that TWP won't have had. They need to make sure they capitalise on that and are better prepared and fresher than their opposition. 

Except that's not always the case.  There are games being played in Toronto where both teams fly in the same week.  (Home opener vs Hull FC, June 13 vs Cas, July 4 vs Warrington, Aug 2 vs Leeds, Aug 29 vs Catalans,) Two of those are immediately following a trip to Catalans.  And there's games in the UK where Toronto is the team that has just flown in, while the home team hasn't.  (At Catalans, Hull KR, and St. Helens).

Depending on their progress in the CC the Wolfpack will be playing up to 10 matches immediately after a trans-Atlantic flight, and the most any of their opposition will face is two, once in Toronto, and then once after they return.

Granted, while the Wolfpack are travelling significantly further in total than the other teams in Super League, they don't even come close to the typical travel done in professional North American sports.

[Dave T]

2 minutes ago, nmew said:

Except that's not always the case.  There are games being played in Toronto where both teams fly in the same week.  (Home opener vs Hull FC, June 13 vs Cas, July 4 vs Warrington, Aug 2 vs Leeds, Aug 29 vs Catalans,) Two of those are immediately following a trip to Catalans.  And there's games in the UK where Toronto is the team that has just flown in, while the home team hasn't.  (At Catalans, Hull KR, and St. Helens).

Depending on their progress in the CC the Wolfpack will be playing up to 10 matches immediately after a trans-Atlantic flight, and the most any of their opposition will face is two, once in Toronto, and then once after they return.

Granted, while the Wolfpack are travelling significantly further in total than the other teams in Super League, they don't even come close to the typical travel done in professional North American sports.

That's why I said a lot of and not always.

[nmew]

17 hours ago, Kayakman said:

I don't think they are...but we are soon going to find out.

Over here in NA we don't do these wholesale changes you folks over there are so fond of.  We build a club from the bottom up and the guys who perform get promoted, not traded like over there.

This will prove which system is better, ours or yours.  We will beat those teams you mention this season and others also

We will win because the hockey system we have is better than your system.

But the Wolfpack don't have that system set up yet.  They'd need farm teams.  They'd need the league to adopt a draft.  That's potentially a long way away, or might never happen at all.

[nmew]

9 minutes ago, Dave T said:

That's why I said a lot of and not always.

Toronto play 11 games at Lamport.  Five of those see both teams facing the journey over the same week.  Six times (55%) the visitors will fly over while the Wolfpack are already here.

[Kayakman]

21 minutes ago, nmew said:

But the Wolfpack don't have that system set up yet.  They'd need farm teams.  They'd need the league to adopt a draft.  That's potentially a long way away, or might never happen at all.

Thats right but we had to modify when we started up by signing a club from scratch.  Hopefully the other changes will come in time....we are off to a good start though and like to keep our players around instead of theses constant trades that seem to trademark some clubs...good to go with stability like in hockey...we will get there.....

[Kayakman]

42 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Because we had three unacceptably poor starts to a season in a row. Win 8 Grand finals, 2 challenge cups and 3 World Club challenges with a core of homegrown talent and then tell the Rhinos how to do it. 

How is your first coach btw? Sacked after losing 1 final?

If it wan an 'unlimited rolling contract' he would still be there...they fired him.

Now he is with us, bringing his knowledge and talents.  We have given him a fantastic, firm, hockey like  5 Year contract. Hopefully he has a triumphant return to the Whinos this season.

We will feast on Rhino flesh once again, just like last time.

[Kayakman]

16 minutes ago, nmew said:

Toronto play 11 games at Lamport.  Five of those see both teams facing the journey over the same week.  Six times (55%) the visitors will fly over while the Wolfpack are already here.

The odds are certainly against us but we will never give up; we will overcome.

[Tommygilf]

3 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

If it wan an 'unlimited rolling contract' he would still be there...they fired him.

Now he is with us, bringing his knowledge and talents.  We have given him a fantastic, firm, hockey like  5 Year contract. Hopefully he has a triumphant return to the Whinos this season.

We will feast on Rhino flesh once again, just like last time.

Yeah they did, as I just explained because of the incredibly poor set of results we experienced which were well below par for what the club and fans expect; including losing to you! In a league with Promotion and Relegation nothing is so secure - please refer to most European sports leagues (like the one you're in) for more details.

How long a deal did Rowley have btw? 

Regardless I'm glad you've stopped the idiotic line of argument that all your achievements will be homegrown! 

[Cameron Highlander]

22 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Yeah they did, as I just explained because of the incredibly poor set of results we experienced which were well below par for what the club and fans expect; including losing to you! In a league with Promotion and Relegation nothing is so secure - please refer to most European sports leagues (like the one you're in) for more details.

How long a deal did Rowley have btw? 

Regardless I'm glad you've stopped the idiotic line of argument that all your achievements will be homegrown! 

Re:- Bolded and Underlined above....2 years.

[Tommygilf]

12 minutes ago, Cameron Highlander said:

Re:- Bolded and Underlined above....2 years.

Are you sure? Because everywhere I've read has said that when he left it was by "mutual agreement to release him from contract". Thus implying he was under contract beyond 2018?

Edit: seems his contract was up for review at the end of 2018.

[Dave T]

2 hours ago, nmew said:

Toronto play 11 games at Lamport.  Five of those see both teams facing the journey over the same week.  Six times (55%) the visitors will fly over while the Wolfpack are already here.

Toronto are a Canadian team who have joined the UK RL structure, it shouldn't be a surprise that they may have to factor travel into their plans. Around 10 flights for a 30+ game season is not unreasonable. 

[Kayakman]

1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

 

How long a deal did Rowley have btw? 

Regardless I'm glad you've stopped the idiotic line of argument that all your achievements will be homegrown! 

It was for 2 years and two years was what it was for.

Our achievements are fully homegrown.  We are based in Toronto, Ontario, CANADA.  Our home field is Lamport Stadium in Toronto.  We are the only fully professional RL club in Canada and we can't wait to kick some English ass yet again this year!

[Kayakman]

9 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Toronto are a Canadian team who have joined the UK RL structure, it shouldn't be a surprise that they may have to factor travel into their plans. Around 10 flights for a 30+ game season is not unreasonable. 

Nothing can stand in our way.

[Man of Kent]

1 minute ago, Kayakman said:

It was for 2 years and two years was what it was for.

Our achievements are fully homegrown.  We are based in Toronto, Ontario, CANADA.  Our home field is Lamport Stadium in Toronto.  We are the only fully professional RL club in Canada and we can't wait to kick some English ass yet again this year!

Thought T’ronto are based in Rochdale?

[Kayakman]

1 minute ago, Man of Kent said:

Thought T’ronto are based in Rochdale?

This is what I have always been trying to get through to you: "You have been very confused from the beginning."

[Tommygilf]

11 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

It was for 2 years and two years was what it was for.

Our achievements are fully homegrown.  We are based in Toronto, Ontario, CANADA.  Our home field is Lamport Stadium in Toronto.  We are the only fully professional RL club in Canada and we can't wait to kick some English ass yet again this year!

Alrighty then! 

[TIWIT]

6 hours ago, Allora said:

He is on the slide at his age.

Buying a player in his prime is one thing, signing a 34 year to play in a more physical code he has not played for some time for stupid money is something else.

What marketing returns will they get? A winning team would deliver better marketing IMO

$BW has always chased the money.

 

 

 

Look up LeBron James for an equivalent. Leaves nothing but Championships in his wake. His mere presence inspires those around him to greater efforts

[Manfred Mann]

Toronto has two outstanding players: Sonny Bill Williams and Ricky Leutele. It has several very good players, such as Matty Russell, Chase Stanley and Bodene Thompson. But the teams's main weakness lies in the mediocrity of the halves and the lack of two very intimidating props.

Should David Argyle make three signings that rectify those weaknesses, then Toronto will be a powerful force in Super League. Absent such signings, the club will struggle. However Hull KR looks very vulnerable to me, especially after the tragic career ending injury to Mose Masoe.

[dixiedean]

7 hours ago, aj1908 said:

The man of steel winner last year struggled to make.it in the nrl and certainly wouldn't get a starting spot in the halves 

Sbw would've been taken back.by the.roosters if not for.your large offer if he felt like.the.challenge 

He won't want to ruin his legacy 

Inury is the only worry he will be a star once he has match fitness 

Indeed. I wonder what the odds are on SBW as Man of Steel?

[Cameron Highlander]

1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

Are you sure? Because everywhere I've read has said that when he left it was by "mutual agreement to release him from contract". Thus implying he was under contract beyond 2018?

Edit: seems his contract was up for review at the end of 2018.

Tommy, I'm not a whiz at posting internet links and the like into pieces.......blame too many birthdays.  But the following is from a Canadian Press article "Coach Paul Rowley leaving Toronto Wolfpack" dated November 10, 2018.

"Paul Rowley’s record as coach of the Toronto Wolfpack was excellent. And yet the former England hooker is no longer with the transatlantic rugby league team despite taking a blank piece of paper and turning it into a team with a 49-8-2 competitive record

In a statement Saturday, the team maintained the split was mutual.

Brian Noble, Toronto’s director of rugby, said Rowley had asked to "review his position" at the end of the 2018 season when his contract was up."

The Bolding and Underlining of the last five (5) words are by me.  I'm not going to get into a back-and-forth about the meaning of phrases like "mutual agreement" and "released from contract" in the Paul Rowley case.  Regrets if you wanted to do so.......